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Su
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Elizabeth Mitchell Catrine
« on: Saturday 06 June 09 14:05 UTC (UK) »
Hello
I am trying to find the birth of Elizabeth Mitchell in Catrine in about 1856
Her parents were John Mitchell Cotton Weaver and Mary nee Boras/Boris/Borras
Also can't find the marriage of said John Mitchell to Mary Boras/etc

On the 1881 onwards Elizabeth is married to Peter Connelly b.Auchinleck.  She maintains on all the census that she was born Catrine.

I cannot find the family on any census previous to 1881

I should be extremely grateful if anyone could help me find them.

Kind regards
Su
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Re: Elizabeth Mitchell Catrine
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 06 June 09 16:08 UTC (UK) »
hi Su  Smiley

i don't have access to the 1861 or 1871 census but have you seen this
on freeCEN -

1841 bridge lane catrine sorn(all born ayrshire)
ann gilmour 72 cotton weft winder
eliza borris 34 cotton factory worker
mary borris 26 cotton factory worker
ann mcgilvray 4
john mcgilvray 2

1851 crompton st riccarton ayrshire
mary mcgilvrey marr. 36 pirnfiller b. dumfries-shire
annie mcgilvrey dau. 14 tearer b. ayrshire catrine
john mcgilvrey son 12 tearer b. ayrshire catrine
agnes mcgilvrey dau. 9 b. ayrshire riccarton
james mcgilvrey son 7 b. ayrshire riccarton

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Re: Elizabeth Mitchell Catrine
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 06 June 09 19:29 UTC (UK) »
Hello ev
Thank you so much for this.  No I hadn't seen it.

This is so helpful and is a great starting point.

Many thanks indeed

Kind regards
Su
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Re: Elizabeth Mitchell Catrine
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 06 June 09 21:07 UTC (UK) »
Hello ev
Just popped back to say that I think I have found the Mitchells on the 1841/51 Catrine.  John was in fact (if I am right) married to Jean McCormick.  There was an Ann Gilmour lodging with them 1841/51 which ties in with the Ann Gilmour (72) Eliza and Mary Borris you found.
I then found a birth for an Elizabeth Mitchell 1859 New Cumnock Father John Mother Jean McCormick, which ties in nicely.  I think Jean must have died and John then married Mary Borris so she was on Elizabeth's marriage cert as mother when in fact she was probably her step-mother.

I hope I'm right about all this, it seems to fit.  A bit more searching before I'm sure.

So thank you once again for your help, it's been invaluable.

Kind regards
Su
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Re: Elizabeth Mitchell Catrine
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 11 June 09 18:17 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: Su on Saturday 06 June 09 21:07 UTC (UK)
Hello ev
Just popped back to say that I think I have found the Mitchells on the 1841/51 Catrine.  John was in fact (if I am right) married to Jean McCormick.  There was an Ann Gilmour lodging with them 1841/51 which ties in with the Ann Gilmour (72) Eliza and Mary Borris you found.
I then found a birth for an Elizabeth Mitchell 1859 New Cumnock Father John Mother Jean McCormick, which ties in nicely.  I think Jean must have died and John then married Mary Borris so she was on Elizabeth's marriage cert as mother when in fact she was probably her step-mother.

I hope I'm right about all this, it seems to fit.  A bit more searching before I'm sure.

So thank you once again for your help, it's been invaluable.

Kind regards
Su

Hi Su,

Perhaps you have discovered this by now but just in case............

The Elizabeth Mitchell born to John Mitchell and Jane McCormick is still living with her family in 1881 so she can't be your Elizabeth.
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Re: Elizabeth Mitchell Catrine
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 11 June 09 20:03 UTC (UK) »
just to add to what cookies4 has found-

i'm wondering if john mitchell was married to jean GILMOUR
john mitchell & jean gilmour marriage 1st june 1832 sorn ayr(IGI)

only child showing as jean mitchell born 14th oct 1845 sorn ayr(IGI)

which might line up with jane mitchell age 5 shown on 1851 census(freeCEN)
for john & jane mitchell

given that elizabeth mitchell(married to peter connelly) is 27 on the 1881
census i think we are looking at a birth year before 1855

another thing to keep in mind -
SP has -
john mitchell died 1856 sorn ayr born c1812

sorry if this seems to be more questions than answers  Sad

ev

ps can anyone have a look on the 1861 census for any of the people   mentioned
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Re: Elizabeth Mitchell Catrine
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 11 June 09 20:19 UTC (UK) »
Following on from ev's 1851 census here is Mary in 1861 with a wee Elizabeth just the right age born at Sorn!! Smiley Note the age gap!

Mary McGilvray    46
Ann McGilvray    23
John McGilvray    20
Mary McGilvray    14
Elizabeth McGilvray    6

A search at Hugh Wallis has an Elizabeth born 18th March 1854 to James McGilvray and Mary Borrows. So I think we need to find this Elizabeth in 1871.

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Re: Elizabeth Mitchell Catrine
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 11 June 09 20:32 UTC (UK) »
In 1871 she is living at Sorn with her sisters Ann and Mary transcribed as McGilway on Ancestry.

Who were the witnesses at the marriage of Elizabeth Mitchell and Peter Connelly?

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Nel
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Re: Elizabeth Mitchell Catrine
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 11 June 09 20:35 UTC (UK) »
well done Nel  Cool

this seems to tick a few boxes

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Re: Elizabeth Mitchell Catrine
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 11 June 09 21:04 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: ev on Thursday 11 June 09 20:03 UTC (UK)
just to add to what cookies4 has found-

i'm wondering if john mitchell was married to jean GILMOUR
john mitchell & jean gilmour marriage 1st june 1832 sorn ayr(IGI)

only child showing as jean mitchell born 14th oct 1845 sorn ayr(IGI)

which might line up with jane mitchell age 5 shown on 1851 census(freeCEN)
for john & jane mitchell

given that elizabeth mitchell(married to peter connelly) is 27 on the 1881
census i think we are looking at a birth year before 1855

another thing to keep in mind -
SP has -
john mitchell died 1856 sorn ayr born c1812

sorry if this seems to be more questions than answers  Sad

ev

ps can anyone have a look on the 1861 census for any of the people   mentioned


Interesting too that John Mitchell born 1812 was living at Catrine, Sorn in 1851 and was also a weaver.

A bit more digging needed right enough but my money's on him being the father and Mary Borris/Borrows etc. the mother.

The biggest 'fly in the ointment' is the IGI birth stating Elizabeth was the daughter of James McGilvray.

Hopefully a closer look at her marriage entry might help.

Regards,
Nel

PS - James McGilvray and Mary Burrows were married at Sorn in 1836.
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Re: Elizabeth Mitchell Catrine
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 11 June 09 21:45 UTC (UK) »
Have you checked the birth of wee George Reid  to see who his parents were?
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Re: Elizabeth Mitchell Catrine
« Reply #11 on: Friday 12 June 09 07:15 UTC (UK) »
ann mcgilvray born 1st march 1837 to james mcgilvray and mary borrows
sorn ayr(IGI)
SP has jane mitchell(other surname gilmour) died 1861 sorn ayr but age a
bit out - born c1805
also mary mcgilvery(other surname borres) died 1861 sorn ayr age again a
bit out - born 1819

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