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eac61
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unable to find marriage or her family
« on: Monday 08 June 09 12:53 BST (UK) »
My Great Grandfather was called Thomas Cynwell Phillips, he was born in 1871 in Llwynypia, Rhondda, Wales.  I have obtained his birth certificate which shows him as Thomas Phillips not Thomas Cynwell Phillips but I know from Special Event records from the family that he was known as Thomas Cynwell.

His parents are shown as Lewis Phillips and Ann Phillips formerly Kenwil.  I cannot trace any Kenwils, and I cannot find a marriage for Lewis and Ann.  (According to census records their had their first child together in 1867) It says on the census records that Ann (Sometimes known as Sarah Ann) was from Senny, Brecon. (some census records show Sarah A some Ann her internment record shows her as /Sarah Ann I have been able to find a family called Conwil from Senny - am I right that Conwil could translate as Cynwell/Cynwyl - Thomas's middle name ?  

Is there any other way I can prove who Anns family are ??
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Powell - Ton Pentre
Phillips - Llwynypia
Townsend - Kington, Herefordshire
Radford - Somerset/Cardiff
Ractliffe - Gloucester
Richards - Llanfinhangel Y Creuddyn/Pengraig, Rhondda
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Re: unable to find marriage or her family
« Reply #1 on: Monday 08 June 09 13:21 BST (UK) »
It could be possible that Ann (Sarah Ann) was married before she married Lewis and hence why you can not find a marriage to him in her maiden name.

You could investigate these marriages to see if they are your Lewis Phillips

Marriages Mar 1871   
Borsden    Sarah        Neath    11a   597      
Morris    Herbert         Neath    11a   597      
Phillips    Lewis         Neath    11a   597      
Price    Margaret         Neath    11a   597      

Marriages Jun 1864   
George    Grace        Newport M    11a   287      
Phillips    Lewis         Newport M    11a   287      
Tebbs    John         Newport M    11a   287      
Williams    Ann         Newport M    11a   287      


This marriage is particularly interesting as the spouse's name is missing.

Marriages Sep 1864 
Phillips    Lewis         Newport M    11a   ___


hope that helps
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Looking for any leads on ELIZABETH KNIGHT born c1877 died 1908 Sittingbourne, Kent. Married to William Crayden.
I know her father was Thomas Knight, no idea who her mother is, yet.
Grateful for any help
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Re: unable to find marriage or her family
« Reply #2 on: Monday 08 June 09 14:02 BST (UK) »
The GRO has a much clearer image of that last marriage for Lewis, and the missing page number seems to be 267
entering that in the search on freebmd gives 3 other names for that page

Sep 1864 Newport M  11a 267   
Evans    Thomas
Mathews    Ann
Watkins    Elizabeth

so possibly the missing spouse for Lewis Phillips in Sept Qu 1864  is Ann Mathews?


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Re: unable to find marriage or her family
« Reply #3 on: Monday 08 June 09 14:06 BST (UK) »
1851 census

Senny, Breconshire

David Conwill         head  45   Shopkeeper & farmer
Ann Conwill            wife    42
David Conwill          son    11
Margaret Conwill    daur    8
Ann Conwill           daur     6
Thomas Conwill      son     3
Keziah Nicholas    M-i-L    73

All born at Devynnock (Defynnog), except Keziah - born at Llanfalle

David and Ann are in Defynnog in 1861, with Thomas and a younger son William:  census ref:   Class: RG9/ Piece: 4210/ Folio: 17/ Page: 3

Ann Connwill (transcribed by Ancestry as 'Counwell') is also in Defynnog.

Thos. Connwill     head U 38 farmer                   Devyknock
Ann Connwill       niece  U 18 housekeeper     Devyknock
Morgan Morgans nephew 8                          Dowlais, Glam.
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eac61
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Re: unable to find marriage or her family
« Reply #4 on: Monday 08 June 09 14:18 BST (UK) »
Yes I think this maybe the right family as my great grandfathers birth cert shows his Mother as Ann Kenwil - I think it is Conwil and somewhere along the way I am sure this translates to Cynwyl - my g.grandfather was Thomas Cynwel/Cynwell

I just have no definate proof of this and dont want to pursue the wrong family ........ but thanks for everyones help !!
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Powell - Ton Pentre
Phillips - Llwynypia
Townsend - Kington, Herefordshire
Radford - Somerset/Cardiff
Ractliffe - Gloucester
Richards - Llanfinhangel Y Creuddyn/Pengraig, Rhondda
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Re: unable to find marriage or her family
« Reply #5 on: Monday 08 June 09 16:20 BST (UK) »
There's also a Lewis Phillip married MarQ1865 Merthyr T 11a p509, there are two Anns, Davies and Richards.
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Davies or David, Glamorgan
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Re: unable to find marriage or her family
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 18 June 09 17:34 BST (UK) »
Hi eac61,

Just to give you a bit of confidence, CONWIL Cayo district of Carmarthenshire officially became CYNWYL Gaio when de-anglicised. So they appear to be one and the same!

Regards,
Lee.
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