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SueChris
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Thoughts please on the legality of a marriage when the name used on the marriage certificate was not the legal birth registered surname for the groom. I am 100% sure I have the same person.
Birth registered 1880
Marriage 1901
Subsequent new birth certificate issued in 1939 with surname used for marriage
Death cert under same later surname.
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newbe_nz
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I wonder if he had some reason for a change in surname from the birth one to something different.
I have one where the first name and surname on the birth cert in 1882 is different to the one on marriage cert in 1907. Not sure if my great grandmother knew how to spell her surname or not.
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SueChris
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Yes, his father had started using his middle name as a surname which was his father's surname but as the parents weren't married when he was born he was given his mother's surname. Then his son in 1880 was given his father's legal surname but later used the surname his father was then using Sorry it is a bit confusing
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newbe_nz
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Mine was very confusing for quite a few years
My family knew my great grandmother as Millicent Tibbutt. she married my great grandfather alfred Andrew Parker in 1907. I took me years to find her birth. then I found someone researching the same name and found her under Amelia Tippett. so as I say I have no idea how it changed.
Yes it can be very confusing.
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Lilley,Lillie, Lilly - England -New Zealand - 1800 to now
Dykins - Wales, England, New Zealand - 1752 to now
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kiwihalfpint
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Snap newbe 
My cousin married a Tippett Will be a different family though.
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KHP
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charlotteCH
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Hi SueChri sand others,... I have an instance where the bride changed a vowel in her surname.. KAY was her birth surname and she married as KEY. It's there on 1907 cert both as what the Registrar wrote and in her signature. I was so bemused with the marriage cert. I asked to RO to check it- and the copy I received is what she wrote. I suspect it was an attempt to dissociate herself from her family.
Another instance I have is someone who made a second marriage as a widow- turned out disliking the new husband and just reverted to her previous surname- even on the burila reg. it has both surnames- with AKA written for the second husband's name.
So there seems quite some latitude in whatsurname one used.
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GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
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kiwihalfpint
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Forgot to add to my post above. Got side tracked by "Tippett"
I have a relative who swaped her two names around on the Marriage Certificate and added an extra 'e' to her name Greta. Took some finding for the 2nd marriage. Still can't find her and now wondering if like her mother has a 3rd marriage 
And like Charlotte, I too have one that became a widow when getting married for the 2nd time, put down she was single. BTW this person had four marriages.
Cheers
KHP
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charlotteCH
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WOW... four marriages... some stamina ...
and some stamina needed to track her genealogically
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
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newbe_nz
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Can't beat four marriages but my father's first wife had three marriages all up.
The second one was to my uncle, dad's brother
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Coppell - England 1734 to now, New Zealand - 1853 to now
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Lilley,Lillie, Lilly - England -New Zealand - 1800 to now
Dykins - Wales, England, New Zealand - 1752 to now
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kiwihalfpint
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The 2nd marriage lasted 6 months, the 3rd a year, the 4th the longest. Yes, it was hard to track down, had to do by relatives death notices, for a mention, and when there was one, could go from there, until another rellie passed away and so on.
On another tree another one had the same amount of marriages but that person had issues. One set of their kids didn't know about the other new half siblings until mothers death. What a way to find out.
I have a cousin the same age as me, and is on their 3rd marriage
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KHP
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Lucy2
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Thoughts please on the legality of a marriage when the name used on the marriage certificate was not the legal birth registered surname for the groom.
Hello SueChris 
[What a shame that this thread descended into some "rabbitting on" about the multiple marriages of other peoples' aunts, uncles, cousins, et al ... thus resulting in your question being virtually ignored. ] 
In the era you speak of, it was not all that unusual for people to alter their names, and (under common law), all that was required to affect such change, was that a person be able to show, that that was the name he or she, was commonly known as.
In fact (surprisingly), the same still applies today.
"Under common law in New Zealand a person can call themselves by any name. Usually if they are not formally changing their name on their birth registration, they will establish their new name through usage and reputation".
[Quote from BDM information at NZ Dept. of Internal Affairs website.]
So, a change of name, (provided it complied with the law of the day), would have no bearing on the legality of a marriage.
Hope that helps ?
Lu
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