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Topic: Help Elizabeth C Holland b1905 Philadelphia (Read 261 times)
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cjstar
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Could anyone give me any information on Elizabeth C Holland maiden name she was born to a John T Holland and Elizabeth Holland nee Cooper they came originally from Ramsbottom, Lancashire, England.Elizabeth was born in America but that's about the limit of my knowledge on her any info no matter how small would be extremely appreciated
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Kellie-Ann
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Lisa in California
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Hi Kellie-Ann
1920 Philadelphia Ward 42, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania
Elizabeth C Holland, age 14 years, born c1906 in Pennsylvania
Parents:
John T Holland, age 57, born c1863 in England as was father, immigrated 1903, mother born Pennsylvania?, occupation: Weaver, Mill
Elizabeth Holland, age 50, born c1870 in Pennsylvania, father born England, mother born Ireland, occupation: Weaver, Mill
Lived at 5888 Marcher? Street
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Mumford: Essex/Canada Vaus: Sussex/Surrey Ovens: Ireland/Canada Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada Stuart: Sligo/Canada Fowley: Sligo/Canada Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada Furnival: Lancashire/Canada Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived) (Canadians lived in Ontario)
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Lisa in California
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Same family?
1910 Philadelphia Ward 35, Philadelphia, PA
Elibeath C Holland, age 5 years, born c1905 in Pennsylvania
Parents:
John T Holland, age 58, born c1862 in England as were parents, immigrated 1902, occupation: Farmer, Own Farm
Elibeath Holland, married 10 years, one child, age 39, born c1871 in England as were parents, immigrated 1902, occupation: none
Lived: Blue Grass Road
Living with them:
Thomas Cooper, brother-in-law to John T., age 38, single, born England as were parents, immigrated 1910, Weaver, Cotton Mill
Belle Rilly?, Maid, age 24, single, born Ireland, parents born Ireland; Housemaid, Private Family
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Mumford: Essex/Canada Vaus: Sussex/Surrey Ovens: Ireland/Canada Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada Stuart: Sligo/Canada Fowley: Sligo/Canada Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada Furnival: Lancashire/Canada Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived) (Canadians lived in Ontario)
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AMBLY
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That other topic, (And this one, with Lisa's posting above) indicates via the 1910 Census, that Elizabeth C's mother's maiden name was COOPER.
So this may also be the middle name of Elizabeth C - ie: Elizabeth Cooper HOLLAND
Cheers
AMBLY
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AMBLY
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Not 100% sure how this thing is populated or how old the data is (I have used this database before, ages ago, and I think from memory was able to prove sometimes that the data was fairly old and not current in some instances. Possibly taken from something akin to old electoral rolls?) - but: click this link:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/06ud/
3 entries for an Elizabeth C RYAN in Philadelphia.
I chose the 2nd one as most likely - I don't know why - and it may be wrong.
Elizabeth C RYAN age 72, living Philadelphia - relatives: JA RYAN, James A RYAN.
If this is your Elizabeth C then this record must date from the late 1970's
But anyway - I went back to the Search Labs marriage Index and straight to the "J" RYAN and :
The name of the 1936 Groom was James RYAN (although no middle initial) (Page 268)
It is possible the JA RYAN listed on the Intel* site is a son, maybe?
Or maybe just a big co-incidental red herring altogether!
I have never, ever paid any money to get any further info from this website - even though it infers there is much more to be found for a fee (including dob) - so I cannot vouch for it's integrity, safety or accuracy. MAybe other chatters can tell you if it's safe.
Talk about 'co-incidence' though - see the 3rd Elizabeth C RYAN listed on that link and the name of the Relatives indexed in the right column: one is a Kelly Ann RYAN!!
Cheers
AMBLY
PS: I've just noted taht Intel* site is advertised on Rootsweb banner
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/
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shellyesq
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I don't think the data on Intelius would show an age that someone was years ago. I searched for myself and, among other places, it lists a place I last lived in 1996, but my age is shown as my current age. I searched for my father, who died in the 1980's, and it lists the age he would have been today had he lived.
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AMBLY
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Ah, that's interesting Shelly !
And, I've just searched the Social Security Index on Rootsweb
http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi
There is an entry for an Elizabeth C RYAN in Philadelphia who was born 1936 and died 2000 - so maybe it's her on the Intel* site.....
Cheers
AMBLY
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cjstar
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Thankyou Ambly/Shelly your help has been so much appreciated wish i could give you a big hug the info you have given me is more than i expected thankyou you are stars
Kellie-ann
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cjstar
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Could the Elizabeth C Ryan be Elizabeths daughter as Elizabeth Holland was born in 1905? What do you think!!!Elizabeth C Ryan was born in 1935
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cjstar
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To Lisa in California thankyou for the information i very much appreciate your effort you have helped me so much many many thanks.Just trying to find if the James A Ryan linked with her name is her son or if it's her husband hope she had a son..
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shellyesq
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The surname Ryan is so common (as are the first names Elizabeth & James) that I wouldn't really assume much without finding evidence to really connect them to your branch. Philadelphia is a big city, too, so I imagine it has its share of Elizabeth Ryans.  The Soc. Sec. Death Index has over 20 Elizabeth Ryans born in 1905/1906, and that's not even including the possibility that she remarried or that she died prior to the period covered by the SSDI.
The best thing to do might be to get an exact date of birth for the younger Elizabeth. If she was born in Philadelphia, it looks like the city archives would have the information. http://www.phila.gov/phils/Docs/Inventor/genealgy.htm Or, if you have a Family History Library near you, you could order the microfilm of Philadelphia births.
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cjstar
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In 1905 she was Elizabeth C Holland dont know if that narrows it down Shelly?
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shellyesq
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You can check the SSDI on rootsweb.com or familysearch.org, but none of the Elizabeth Ryans born 1905/1906 have the middle initial of C.
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