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Topic: Thomas RODGERS - NSW (Read 1089 times)
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cando
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This is all I could find -
RODGERS T C b.1908 Departed London 1929 for Fremantle Australia.
Cheers
Cando
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lucybella
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Thanks Cando - not him either..
He must have got there somehow. I read somewhere that there was special assistance for ex servicemen from ww1. Maybe he is on a list somewhere to do with that.
Interesting that there was not compulsary enlistment till 1943. He enlisted and was gone in 1941.
If the 'outback' was sparsely populated, he would surely be conspicous if headed out to a rural area.
If I could find when he arrived and where he lived (around Arlethan?) and for how long before the army, it would give me a better picture.
Thanks again for looking that up.
Lucy
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cando
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I really don't know how you are going to find the information you are seeking. I note that he went AWL in Sydney as well. Perhaps he headed back there.
Cando
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lucybella
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I just thought I would re activate this subject in the slim hope that someone from Hay NSW will see it, and maybe remember Thomas Rodgers from Belfast in 1941.
Yesterday I recieved the requested 'ships list' of arrivals in Adelaide, 1928 but it contains only a list of names in alphabetical order, no other details alas..
This man must have been ill with a drink problem, had no family in Australia. Are there any hospitals, institutions, which would be worth checking out, in the general area, to find where he died and is buried?
Thanks
Lucy
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Just Moi
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Hi Lucy,
I'm not at all sure that the following would be your chap, but....
From the 1930 Electoral Roll, there's a Tom Rodgers at the Soldier's Settlement at Yenda.
I'll do some more checking.
EDIT sorry, forgot to mention that Yenda is near Hay NSW
JM
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lucybella
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Thank you very much, Just Moi!
Thomas Rodgers was born 13/2/1898 (says 1896 in some records) Belfast Northern Ireland. He was a soldier all his life, during WW1 and up to 1925 in India, so maybe he would be in a 'soldier settlement' near Hay! His next of kin would be his brother Edward, most likely.
I would dearly love to solve this mystery of his disappearance in 1941.
Thanks again for your reply
Lucy
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cando
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Hi Lucy
The Soldier Settlement [Farm] blocks were often listed by a number and unfortunately there is no number with this Tom, but I would say that the other name on the roll is at the same farm. Only RODGERS names on the roll at Yenda.
Australian Electoral Rolls
1930 NSW
RODGERS Nellie Isabel Farm 1249, Yenda HD
RODGERS Tom Soldier Settlement, Yenda No occupation
Yenda is very near Griffith in the Riverina and there are three more RODGERS enrolments in this electorate living at Griffith. Possibly family.
I suggest you google soldier settlement blocks NSW.
There are a number of WW1 service records on NAA in the name of Thomas RODGERS and one for a Tom RODGERS. Any of these men could be the occupier of the farm at Yenda. Shame that no occupation was shown or perhaps this Tom was retired.
Lucy did you purchase the death certificate in NSW that was mentioned on one of the threads about your Thomas?
Cando
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Just Moi
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Bit More,
1936 Electoral Roll shows Nellie Isabella RODGERS at Farm 1349 at Yenda, also at same farm there's an orchardist, Thomas Trevor RODGERS. Perhaps Tom's full name was Thomas Trevor or perhaps this family is NOT connected with your Thomas - not sure, but ....
1968 death for a Thomas Trevor R RODGERS registered in the Griffith district shows his parents first names as Tom and Harriet (44554/1968).
Lucy, I stress, this may well be someone else's family.....
Cheers, JM
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cando
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I think we have eliminated this Tom RODGERS...if you look at the NAA WW1 Service record you will see that the Tom RODGERS with father Tom, who enlisted is later referred to in his service record as Thomas Trevor RODGERS b. 1887 England. I didn't bother detailing everything I found as it is not the Thomas RODGERS b. Ireland.
Cando
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cando
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I am a bit rushed today to read back through the threads about Thomas RODGERS however I do wonder how many suggestions have been followed up. I feel we can only do so much research and then it is up to Lucy whether or not she chooses to follow any leads or suggestions.
I feel that all sources available have been thoroughly researched.
Cando
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tropicalj
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I must agree with Cando here, the death that was mentioned earlier in this thread should be investigated further. Even though the surname is ROGERS it could be of significance,
I think Lucy that you need to understand that so many parts of Australia are easy to get lost in. He could have simply vanished by either accident or foul play. Even changed his name for whatever reason. Also rejoined the army under another name, it was done back then. Also as you have said he was also in WW1, who knows what horrors of war he encountered. Then he seems to have had a drink problem in WW2. May have simply wandered off and died of dehydration in the bust and the body was never discovered.
All sorts of scenarios spring to mind. All just supposition,
We may never know.
We have certainly scoured the country to the best of resources availalbe.
Jenn
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lucybella
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Hello Tropicalj, Just Moi and Cando, Jamjar, and all others who have helped me so kindly on these boards.
I really appreciate all the help and research that you have taken the time to do for me. Really, it is much appreciated.
I did send off for the ships list of 1928, but there was no date of birth - just a list of names, just arrived in Ireland to me yesterday, very disappointing. I notice though that Cando had a date of birth for that Thomas, which indicated it was not him. I have been unable to get dates of birth for passengers.
I also emailed Laurie Turtle, who wrote back to say he was sorry, he could not manage the time required for this research, as he had a lot on at the moment.
I do not know how to apply for the death certificate of Thomas Rogers Parramatta NSW. Any advice would be welcome.
I got very hopeful yesterday evening when I heard about the 'soldiers settlement' especially as the map shows Yenda to be halfway between Ardlethan and Hay. But Thomas had no middle name, and as pointed out, there were other Rodgers with families in the area too..Still it may be him...
I googled the 'Soldiers settlement' blocks, first thing too - it seems they were doing all kinds of work there, so that could fit with Thomas being an ex soldier and a labourer. I did not find much information on google though.
I have searched through names on memorials, in the area, for WW2. I have come across some family names of Thomas's mother (grandmother McKissick) which he may have changed to, and re enlisted. I have tried to follow up all of the suggestions given, and up till a few weeks ago, was constantly searching the cemeteries around the NSW area, but it is like looking for a needle in a haystack!
I have noticed that some men from Belfast , and same area as Thomas, were buried at Tamworth Cemetery.
Next I am going to somehow purchase that death certificate for Paramatta 1970. I felt he would not be alive that long, but it is worth the chance.
Also, I was wondering if the Australian Army are contactable, (apart from the NAA website), and would they have any further records, or photographs.
Sincerely appreciative of all help,
Lucy
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Just Moi
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Hi Lucy,
You could order a transcript of that NSW certificate from Mr Turtle, or from the other transcription agents, that Jenn had posted. I have used each, and I am impressed with each......
Cheers, JM
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lucybella
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Hello Just Moi
I have just been on the NSW BMD website, and I can purchase a certificate for 28 dollars, and cost of postage to Ireland. So that is probably the easiest thing.
I think however that the certificate does not give the place or date of birth, and on the index there is no mothers name, so even when it arrives I do not think there will be any positive identification that this is my granduncle? This is probably what made me hesitate to purchase it, back in July.
Thank you very much,
Lucy
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