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Topic: DAVIDSON & LECK, Sprouston & Lempitlaw 17/1800s (Read 677 times)
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fionnghal
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"Cuimnich na daoine on tąinig thu."
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hi folks 
I'm researching my DAVIDSONS from Sprouston & Lempitlaw and wonder if anyone else out there has any connection with them or any info that might help me trace some of them.
James DAVIDSON b.c.Dec1782; d.18 Jan 1841 [58yrs] Lempitlaw
m. bef.1813 not found yet - more than likely a Secession Church marriage judging by their kids' christenings
Janet LECK/LECH b.c.1796; d.7 Mar 1839 [42yrs] Lempitlaw
kids:
Margaret b.30 May 1813 Lempitlaw
Henry b.11 Nov 1814
Thomas b.19 Aug 1816 Lempitlaw; d.12 Aug 1887 NBL
Isabella b.20 Jun 1818 Lempitlaw
James b.20 Mar 1820 Lempitlaw
Walter b.9 Mar 1822 Lempitlaw
Robert b.10 or 16 Aug 1824 Lempitlaw
Janet b.6 Oct 1828 Lempitlaw
Nancy Leck Davidson b.17 Nov 1828 Lempitlaw
Andrew b.5 Mar 1831
Helen b.29 Jan 1833; d.28 Jun 1845 [12yrs] Lempitlaw
William b.c.1836
Mary b.c.1838
in the 1841 Sprouston census, Vol.807 ED:5; Folio 5, pg.5, the family is headed by dau Margaret whose occ. was 'Ind.'
The return incl. an Elizabeth b.c.1830 but she may be a niece as in the 1851
Missing from the 1841 are Isabella, James & Rbt 
Thomas is in NBL
By the 1851, most of the family have evaporated, and although I know Thomas has become a Doctor practicing in NBL, the only family that appears to be left in Sprouston are Andrew & sister Mary and niece Elizabeth.
Sprouston Vol.807 Pg.11; sch. no.42
Missing from the 1851 are Henry, Walter, Robert, Janet, Nancy, Isabella, James & William though I appreciate there is a good chance at least some of the girls are married therefore hidden
Most of the kids were chr. in Gateshaw Associate Session, Morebattle, ROX, some dupliacted in the IGI are simply down as Sprouston, so perhaps those came from Kirk records
I suspect that dad, James, b. Lempitlaw, may be the son of Henry DAVIDSON & Isobell HALLIWELL
And possibly mum, Janet, the dau of Thomas LECK & Margaret MIDDLEMAST
I'd be delighted to hear from anyone who can fill in any gaps or verify any of the foregoing
le durachd
fionnghal
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SW SCT Mc*Linden McSevney McMillan Riddick Martin McTeague Blackwood Hamilton
IRE Mc[A]Linden McSevney McTeague Fitzmaurice McGrael
ANS Buik/ck Patrick
ABD Robertson Jackson Norrie Strath Ligertwood
FIF Lumsden Braid
ROX Davidson Leck Halliwell Middlemass/t Turnbull
NBL Lumsden Davidson
SRY MDX deLaRoche McGreal/Grail Beavis Clarke Fitzmaurice Keens
DEV Jutsum Salter Northcott
YKS Appleyard Tyas Chester
NTH CAM Stokes
HAM Piper Beavis Paskins
LIN Flint
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JohnM1955
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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I don't know if this takes you much further with your Davidson/Leck investigation, but one of my ancestors was:
Agnes HALLIWELL
b 13 Jun 1764 Sprouston d unknown
m John MANDERSON c1790
Her parents were:
James HALLIWELL and Agnes TURNBLE (or Turnbull)
I suspect that she may have been Isobell Halliwell's sister, the dates seem right and Halliwell is not a common name especially in Roxburghshire.
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fionnghal
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hi John.
I've made so little progress backwards on this family that i can't be sure of anything, unfortunately. certainly your suggestion of the relationship does seem possible and very welcome. i'm hoping to have the chance of a few days in the borders in late autumn so may be able to untangle a few threads then..
I found the name in various guises, and much to my surprise, discovered it had existed in Scotland since at least the 1400s. I had imagined it may have been an English import, but no, according to Black, it is of local origin - local as in the Scottish borders that is - perhaps from the Halywell mentioned in Berwick Retours. Here's what he says:
Thomas de Halywel was a supprior of the Abbey of Kelso, 1465 [Kelso 530] and Rbt Halywell was notary public in St Andrews diocese 1473 [RHM ii p.220]. Thos Halywell, a Scot b. in Grynlawe, in 1480 had letters of denization in England [Bain iv 1465], John Halywell was killed in 1535 [RSS ii 1642] & Wllm Hallywell was burgess of Linlithgow, 1537 [Johnsoun]. Janet Hallywell is recorded in Dalcove, 1668 [Lauder], Rbt Halliwell, portioner of Darnick, 1683 [RMM iii pg.8] and Arthur Hollivall in Manorhill, 1690 [Peebles CR]. Haliewooll 1651, Halliewool 1656, Halliwoll 1660, Hallowall 1681, Holiewall 1644.
So, it looks like they were a very local family If they are sisters, and mum & auntie to my James Davidson b.c.Dec 1892, then your Agnes had a neice named for her as James had a younger sister, Agness Davidson, chr. August 1786 - maybe even a grandma's name too
if and when more info crops up, i'll let you know, but to date it is still a very bare board 
thanks a million for your contribution
le durachd
fionnghal
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LOOK-UPS Carrbridge cem.
RESEARCH:
SW SCT Mc*Linden McSevney McMillan Riddick Martin McTeague Blackwood Hamilton
IRE Mc[A]Linden McSevney McTeague Fitzmaurice McGrael
ANS Buik/ck Patrick
ABD Robertson Jackson Norrie Strath Ligertwood
FIF Lumsden Braid
ROX Davidson Leck Halliwell Middlemass/t Turnbull
NBL Lumsden Davidson
SRY MDX deLaRoche McGreal/Grail Beavis Clarke Fitzmaurice Keens
DEV Jutsum Salter Northcott
YKS Appleyard Tyas Chester
NTH CAM Stokes
HAM Piper Beavis Paskins
LIN Flint
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fionnghal
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Posts: 183
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hi John, I've been studying the Sprouston OPR film. It's in a dreadful state so the likelihood or our getting much further back is not great. However, i've been analysing the family names; our lot seem to have been very keen on keeping the tradition right which gives me heart. Right down through the family so far, they've made a good job of it. Using that as a guide, i think i might have found James Halliwell's parents, or at least, suggest a couple who look likely.
When James married Agnes Turnbull their kids in chronological order were
John Marrion Margaret James Isobel
Janet Mark Agnes Christian
That suggests James parents may be called John & Margaret and
Agnes's were perhaps called James & Marion or Mary Ann. I haven;t found any Turnbull parents of that name, but who's to say that she's from Sprouston!
Unfortunately, I haven't found a James b. to John & Margaret, a couple for whom surviving records indicate at least 3 births though only one with a name
Apart from the fact that the Sprouston OPR had quite clearly provided very tasty bedding for the church mice over the centuries, the clerk/ministers didn't stick to the same pattern of entries. During some era's they're specific about where a person lives, Lurdenlaw, Haddon, Lempitlaw &c, in others they made no mention at all. And the entries, where the register has suffered the most, is compounded by the most unhelpful of entries where even a child's gender wasn't mentioned. There are also gaps through which the odd year has fallen.
However, I've checked the films to see if any more info was available forbye the IGI records & OPR fiches and also checked for them in the Gateshaw register as some of mine have used both.
There seems to have been only 3 Sprouston Halliwell families having babies at the relevant time
There's the John HALLIWELL & Margaret DAVIDSON mentioned above with
child HALLIWALL chr.27 Oct 1724 Sprouston
Janet HALLIWAL chr.6 Jly 1725 Sprouston
child HALLIWALL chr.10 May 1730 Sprouston
Family Search states that the two unnamed kids are male, but in fact they have no good reason for this as the register clearly uses the term 'child' and as the mice & mould chose the edges of the pages to start their feast, the dates at the front and the names at the outer edges were the first to fall victim! It's a weakness of the programme they devised, that no child can be sexless, so, any time it is not clear in the register which it is, it gets recorded automatically as a male! Not a helpful decision
parents: John HALLIWALL & Janet DAVIDSON
John HALLIWALL chr.17 Sep 1727 Sprouston
i believe they had another child in 1731 but the record is so difficult to read that i can't be sure.
parents: Thomas HALLIWAL & Margaret BREWHOUSE
*James HALYWELL chr.13 Mar 1715 Sprouston
*Jannet HALLYWELL chr.3 Mar 1717 Sprouston
John HALLYWELL chr.24 Mar 1719 Sprouston
Robert HALLIWALL chr.1724 Sprouston
Margaret HALLIWALL chr.6 Jly 1725 Sprouston
M. HALLIWELL chr.7 Apr 1728 Sprouston
Jean HALLIWELL chr.27 _ 1731 Sprouston not in IGI or VRI
child HALLIWAL chr.c.18Feb1737 Sprouston
*I've assumed that James & Jannet are theirs though at the time they were recorded, the clerk wasn't including mum's name. So it is just possible that they belong to some other Thomas or a previous marriage of the above
Although the above couple, Thomas & Margaret have a James, the naming pattern doesn't suggest they are it. John & Margaret do look better contenders and they had at least 2 children either of whom could have been called James. Frustratingly, I don't suppose we'll ever be able to prove it one way or the other! 
I haven't found any wills to help us out either. Have you made any more discoveries at your end?
le durachd
Fionnghal
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RESEARCH:
SW SCT Mc*Linden McSevney McMillan Riddick Martin McTeague Blackwood Hamilton
IRE Mc[A]Linden McSevney McTeague Fitzmaurice McGrael
ANS Buik/ck Patrick
ABD Robertson Jackson Norrie Strath Ligertwood
FIF Lumsden Braid
ROX Davidson Leck Halliwell Middlemass/t Turnbull
NBL Lumsden Davidson
SRY MDX deLaRoche McGreal/Grail Beavis Clarke Fitzmaurice Keens
DEV Jutsum Salter Northcott
YKS Appleyard Tyas Chester
NTH CAM Stokes
HAM Piper Beavis Paskins
LIN Flint
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