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CAI
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Looking for Frederick Arthur Lovett
« on: Saturday 17 May 08 07:55 UTC (UK) »
Frederick was deceased at the time of his sons marriage in 1900 he was down as a solicitors clerk. his son Charles Henry Lovett was born 1877 Croydon Surry. any info much appreciated.
Thank you Carol
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Re: Looking for Frederick Arthur Lovett
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 17 May 08 08:29 UTC (UK) »
Ref other thread - Charles Henry was in Wales in 1901 - that seems to be the only source of his PoB - Croydon, Surrey .... no Birth Index entry that I can find .....
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Re: Looking for Frederick Arthur Lovett
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 17 May 08 14:03 UTC (UK) »
Hi

P O B Thats all I have too. They are a very hard family to find . But I never give up hope
regards
Carol
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Re: Why can't I find Frederick Arthur Lovett
« Reply #3 on: Friday 30 May 08 04:42 UTC (UK) »
Why can't i find Frederick Arthur Lovett anywhere on his sons marriage cert he is a solicitors clerk deceased in 1900. I can only find his son Charles Henry Lovett  living Pontypridd 1901 he gives his POB as born 1877 Croydon Surry but i can't find him in Births or 1881 -1891 census . Any help appreciated
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Carol
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Re: Looking for Frederick Arthur Lovett
« Reply #4 on: Friday 30 May 08 17:05 UTC (UK) »
It is possible that Charles made up a father for his marriage cert.
So I would forget Frederick for a bit and concentrate just on Charles pre 1900.

But it is strange we can find no earlier references to Charles in 1881 / 1891 at present. It is possible that he was registered and brought up with a differnet surname for some reason.
Either Frederick was his 'real' father and he then took his name when he was grown up. Or maybe Fred was a step dad and, likewise, Charles took his surname when he was older.

I take it the marriage was in Wales too.
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Re: Looking for Frederick Arthur Lovett
« Reply #5 on: Friday 30 May 08 19:25 UTC (UK) »
Hi lizdb

Thanks for the message, yes the wedding took place 24 dec 1900 at the Register Office Pontypridd of Charles Henry Lovett and Florence Elizabeth Jane Loder. .  I have her family.

Thank you so much for your help.
Carol
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Re: Looking Charles Henry Lovett ANYWHERE
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 11 June 09 19:24 UTC (UK) »
Charles Henry Lovett is living Pontypridd 1901 he gives his POB as born 1878 Croydon Surry  son of Frederick Arthur Lovett. Charles wife `is Florance his children are  Charles Thomas b 1901 another son Walter b 1902.  I can't find them on the 1911 census . I can't find a birth for Charles Henry or any other info .  I have marriage certof Charles and Florance married Pontypridd 1900 Any help appreciated
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Re: Looking for Frederick Arthur Lovett
« Reply #7 on: Friday 12 June 09 11:54 UTC (UK) »
I dont know that there is a lot to be gained by just repeating the same facts.

We have already establishes that there is no birth in that name, nor can we find Charles in earlier censuses, and suggestions have been made as to possible scenarios that could suggest.

So you are going to have to think of any different angles that can be pursued. Here are some ideas, which may or may not be suitable -
What occupation did Charles have? is that something that required an apprenticeship, if so can any records be found? When Charles died did he leave a will - if so did it mention any wider family?  Where does Florence originate from - where was she before marriage - could that indicate that he met her other than on Wales? What Charles Henry's were born in Croydon aorund 1872? can you follow each of them until 1901 and therefore eliminate them, maybe ending up with one who maybe becomes a Lovett?

When there isnt anything obvious then it takes lots of imagination, lots of detective work and  lots of time. Answers dont just frop in to your lap. Sometimes, several years later, you are still no further forward. But just sometimes something comes up and wow that is so good when the mystery is solved!

I hope that happens for you with this one.  Grin
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Re: Looking for Frederick Arthur Lovett
« Reply #8 on: Friday 12 June 09 20:23 UTC (UK) »
Hi lizdb
Thanks for your reply.  I have Charles Henry Lovett and wife florence on the 1901 census in Pontypridd I know they had a son Charles Thomas born 1900 he died in 1953 in Pontypridd , I have death cert and another son Walter Gerald born in 1902 . Florence remarried a John Daniels in
1914 in Pontypridd and they had a daughter Alice. I can find other branches of family in the 1911 census but cant find one of these Lovetts . Regards
Carol
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Re: Looking for Frederick Arthur Lovett
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 17 June 09 00:55 UTC (UK) »
Charles Henry Lovett m. Florence in 1900
children in 1901, and 1902
Florence remarries in 1914 (on freebmd as to "John Daniel")

But where is Charles' death?

In 1911 Florence appears to be possibly listed as Florence E. A. Daniel, along with John and a daughter Alice May, in Pontypridd.  I would suggest you purchase the details from this census to see if Charles junior and Walter are still around (perhaps under some variation of the names?)
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Re: Looking for Frederick Arthur Lovett
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 18 June 09 17:15 UTC (UK) »
Hi jorose
sorry just seen your message
Thank you so much for the info . I am going to look her up now on the 1911 census. Once again many many thanks
Regards
Carol
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