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Topic: Census after 1872 Charles Ernest Smith (Read 195 times)
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lizdb
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First of all, there are no available censuses after 1911.
(thats the easy question answered!)
With a name like Smith you are going to have to go carefully one step at a time to make sure you dont accidently follow the wrong chap.
I cant immediatley see a Charles Smith of right age with a wife Frances on 1901.
What family do they have in 1911?
Have you got a birth cert of a child to confirm his wife's maiden name was Jarman, and thus lead you to the marriage in 1891?
If you have confirmed this is the correct marriage, then getting the cert will give his fathers name and occupation and therefore help find the correct person in earlier censuses
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TrinaMac
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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I guess I should stated that when I was searching for
my grandmother Lena Smith, Nell, Joan and Genie from Rootschat provided me with the 1901 census info RG13; Piece: 870; Folio: 57; Page 5
Charley Smith Head Mar 29 Joiner journeyman Born Hastings
Frances Smith Mar wife 34 born Lee Kent
Percy son 8 Born Hastings
Jessie dau 7 born Hastings
Lena dau 3 born Hastings
Sydey son 1 born St Leonards on Sea
1911 census has
Charles E Smith, Male, 1872, 39
Frances M Smith, F, 1867, 44
Percy C Smith, M,1893, 18
Jessie F Smith, F, 1894, 17
Norah M Smith,F. 1896, 15 (norah was in hospital for 1901 census)
Lena M Smith, F, 1893, 13
Sidney G Smith, M, 1900, 11
Winifred M Smith, F, 1903
all living in Hastings
I also have 1891 4th quarter Hastings Vol2b Pg62
Charles Ernes Smith married Frances Mary Jarman
I don't know if this will help in locating the parents and siblings of Charles E. Smith.
Thank you so much for trying
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lizdb
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Well,
1891 has:
1) Charles Ernest smith bn c1875 HAstings, son Joshua and Annie
2) Charles E Smith bn c1872 Aldingbourne, son Charles
3) Charles Smith bn c1875 Hastings son Elizabeth
4) Charley Smith bn c1872 Hastings son Charles and Annie
now as he was called Charley in 1901 the last one looks a fairly good guess.
But what use is a guess? Any Charles could be called Charley!
I can give you the full detials of that census entry if you like, (just ask if you want them) but personally would rather see who the father of the right Charles Smith is, from his marriage cert, before moving back any further.
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woody32
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From Freebmd
Jun Qtr 1871
Charley Smith Hastings 2b 29
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LANCASHIRE = Wood,Howard,,Smethurst,Foxall,Cheetham,Brookes,Grime, Horrocks,Thornley,Arstall,Shawcross,Rowland,Mclean LINCOLNSHIRE = Featherstone Johnson,Toyne,Willson,
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lizdb
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So that is the birth of a Charley.
But we still dont know if that is the same guy who calls himself Charley in 1901 but Charles Ernest later.
(my grandfather was really called Willie, but always used William Herbert - he was married twice with that name, died with it - only after his death did anyone discover his original name. Then brother in US says "oh yes, he decided one day to use the name William Herbert and thats what he did from then onwards." never told anyone else - neither wife, nor daughter ever knew he started life as Willie)
sorry - sidetracking - but just saying that any of them could still be your guy!
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woody32
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I wouldn't rely on census returns for exact date of births, The C1872 is "about"1872
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LANCASHIRE = Wood,Howard,,Smethurst,Foxall,Cheetham,Brookes,Grime, Horrocks,Thornley,Arstall,Shawcross,Rowland,Mclean LINCOLNSHIRE = Featherstone Johnson,Toyne,Willson,
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lizdb
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Here are the full entries for some of the 1891 censuses
1)
RG12 764 144 11
73 London Rd Hastings
Charles 50 Tailors Manager bn Essex Gt Dunmow
Annie 45
Charley 19 Carpenter bn Hastings
Annoe 21
George 18 Plumbers Appr
John 16 reporters app
Sydney 14
+ visitors (Maria Morley, William Watson, Erskine Watson)
2) Oving
RG12 844 65 9
Charles Smith 50 widwr Ag lab
Ellen Squies mar dtr 21
James Squires son in law 26
Charles E Smith son 19
Jonathan 17
William 15 al bn Aldingbourne
3)
Rg12 758 9 12
Ore, hastings
Joshua 46 coach painter
wife Annie lots of children incl
Charles E 16 drapers assistant bn Hastings
4)
Ashford Kent
16 yr old Charles Smith, bn Hastings with mum Elizabeth and siblings
So - if the marriage cert shows his dad to be Charles, A tailor, then (1) is him. If however it shows his dad to be Joshua a caoch painter, then (3) is your man ..etc etc...
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