irret
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Hi All,
I am trying to find the marriage of William Tingey and Mary, their first child born was Elizabeth 1821 Poplar Middlesex and siblings all born Poplar Middlesex. Any help most appreciated.
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celia
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You have probably searched the I.G.I but like you i didn't find a thing.I wonder if the name has been mutilated in the transcription.Did you see these? Could they be connected?
Elizabeth Tingey Born 2nd February 1823 Bethnal Green
Father William Tingey
Mother Mary.
Elizabeth House Tingey Born 21st August 1823
Christened 28th March 1824 Old Church St Pancras
Father John Tingey
Mother Mary
Celia
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irret
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Many thanks Celia,
I think we can discount second Elizabeth as father is John, but first one looks good. Many thanks for your help.
Terri
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Valda
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Hi Terri
None of the children seem to have been baptised in Poplar
1841 census HO107 702/4 folio 44
High Street Poplar
Wm Tingey 45 Cowkeeper not born Middlesex
Mary Tingey 40 Not born Middlesex
Elizth Tingey20 born Middlesex
Sarah Tingey 18 born Middlesex
Wm? Tingey 53 born Middlesex
Jabas Tingey 14? born Middlesex
Jane Tingey 10 born Middlesex
adult ages, those over 15, usually rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 census.
Mary Tingey
Birth: 21 NOV 1825 Bethnal Green, London
Father: William Tingey
Mother: Mary
Jabez Tingey
Birth: 31 JAN 1827 Bromley,St Leonards, , London
Father: William Tingey
Mother: Mary
Sarah Tingey
Birth: 10 FEB 1829 Bethnal Green, London
Father: William Tingey
Mother: Mary
Jane Tingey
Birth: 07 JAN 1832 Bethnal Green, London
Father: William Tingey
Mother: Mary
William Tingey
Birth: 07 MAR 1835 Bromley,St Leonards, , London
Father: William Tingey
Mother: Mary
Deaths Sep 1847
Tingey Mary Poplar 2 279
On the 1851 census in Poplar William aged 63 was a widower born Eden Bedfordshire the three remaining children all born Islington - Mary aged 25, William aged 17 and Tobus? aged 15?
Since William's age was 63 (birth circa 1788) on the 1851 census and Mary was aged anywhere between 40 and 44 on the 1841 census (birth circa 1797-1801 - her death certificate would give a more accurate age) logically the marriage could have taken place earlier than just before the 1821 baptism of Elizabeth, not necessarily in the London area since neither were born in Middlesex, and Elizabeth might not have been their first child.
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Valda
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irret
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Hi Valda,
Many thanks for your reply.
This is a funny one. In 1841 I believe the ages are all over the place as you can see overwritten. I couldn't find 41 census ( found courtesy of Rootschat) so worked on 1861 census where Jabez is lodging with brother William from 1861 ages Jabez 24 and William 27- In 1851 I believe Tobus is Jabez with brother William ages over written again after that they are more consistant, William b. 1834 Jabez 1837 - Death 1905 Jabes Tingey Poplar age 69 so this ties in with 1837 birth not 1827 and he appears 1871 census with sister Elizabeth (Tingey ) Dryer b 1821 lodging again not listed as brother both times, but hey. Surely there can't be two Jabez Tingey's? - also found him on every census except 1891 struggling now but will keep looking.
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irret
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Phew found him in 1901 transcribed as Jabez Tingay age 69 same age as given for death in 1905.
1881 with sister Elizabeth Dyer again down as Jacob Tingy. 
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irret
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Yes originally, but when you look at census family grouping -
Obviously if I order the baptism we shall find out mothers maiden name. Best way forward, do you think LMA is the place? if so you can make two requests for £8 I think it might be an idea to choose a Bethnal Green and Bromley St Leonards, , London just to make sure that they both have the same mother. What do you think? 
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irret
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Right, last attempt before bed. What do you think about children William and Mary who both appear on 1851 census?
William Tingey 07 MAR 1835 Bromley,St Leonards, , London, England
Mary Tingey 21 NOV 1825 Bethnal Green, London, England
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Valda
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Hi Terri
Birth certificates show the mother's maiden name but civil registration in this country did not start until 1st July 1837. Baptisms unless they are non-conformist nearly always do not show the mother's maiden name (some specialised Anglican baptisms in Yorkshire followed a slightly different system).
This website shows you exactly the information you will find on a post 1813 baptism register.
http://www.british-genealogy.com/resources/registers/3baptpost1813.htm
There seems no evidence there were any children born after the start of civil registration. The youngest was probably Jabez, perhaps a second child named as such after the death of the first, who looks to have a birth of circa 1835/6.
Regards
Valda
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irret
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Hi Valda,
Many thanks for the information and link. Well, we are very unlikely to find a maiden name and as I can't find a birth for Jabaz I am stumped. 
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irret
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I have just been searching, again for Jabez birth 1837 not on FBMD but Ancestry and found the Jabez 1827 one and it gives parents as William and Mary and then below Maternal William Toms - is that Mary's father;s name ?
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Valda
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Hi Terri
Having checked the actual source of these baptisms from the reference you give it shows they are all non-conformist not Anglican (not obvious from the IGI). You can see the actual baptism records from the registers themselves here.
http://www.bmdregisters.co.uk/
You will need to purchase credits.
Regards
Valda
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irret
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Wow Valda, that is spooky, I have just registered with that site and was seeing how much credits cost. Are you saying that you think mothers maiden name will show? 
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Valda
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Hi Terri
Quite common on many non-conformist baptisms.
Regards
Valda
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