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Topic: Help please re Coleman, Yates, etc (Read 553 times)
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AMBLY
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For Caroline Barber COX's origins - this might be a start:
Only a handful of people enumerated as born in "Bingley, Northamptonshire"
One was an Aaron ARNOLD, who was actually born in Dingley, Northamptonshire - living there too, in 1841.
One of the witness' on the marriage of James & Caroline was William COX, same name as her father is listed as but the witness could also be a brother.
Looked for a William COX born in Dingley.
Quickly settled on this one, since the time of birth is pretty close to that of Caroline's - and the names of his children...
1871: Catherine Street, Doncaster, Yorkshire
RG10 / Piece: 4720 / Folio: 44 / Page: 39
Head: William COX 45, Waggon Builder, b Dingley, North.
Wife; Elizabeth COX 50, b Gayton, North.
Son: William C. COX 22, unm, b Rugby, Warwick
Son: George B. COX 19, painter, unm, b St Pancras
Son: Thomas J COX 17, unm, Car Trimmer, b St Pancras
Dau: Caroline E. COX 6, b Doncaster
IGI Extract: George Barber COX - b 18 Apr 1851, chr 25 May 1851, St Pancras - parents: William COX and Elizabeth.
FreeBMD BIRTH: George Barber COX - Jun Qtr 1851, St Pancras
Trying to figure out this William COX's wife's name. If it is ANGUS it would near be a clincher, since the other witness to the marriage of James & Caroline was an Elizabeth ANGUS. Wishful thinking!
Cheers
AMBLY
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AMBLY
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Some possibilities?
1851: Camden Town, St Pancras, Middlesex
HO107 / Piece: 1498 / Folio: 568 / Page: 20
Head: William COX 25, Carpenter, b Dingley, Northamptonshire
Wife; Elizabeth COX 30, b Gayton, Northamptonshire
Son: William C COX 2, b Rugby, Warwickshire
1841: Dingley, Market Harborough, Northamptonshire
HO107 / Piece 797 / Book: 8 / Folio: 5 / Page: 22
Eliza COX 35, Housekeeper - N (not born in Northamptonshire)
Caroline COX 15, - Y
George COX 13 - Y
Sarah COX 10 - Y
On the page before is:
Ann COX 15, - N in household of a Richard LOUTH age 96, Independant.
If this is 'our' Caroline Barber COX, she should be abt 17 in 1841, but has rounded down to age 15 per census instruction.
IGI Marriage (extracted)
William COX and Eliza BARBER
18 Oct 1822, Baldock, Hertfordshire
Cheers
AMBLY
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AMBLY
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Thanks to you too Mike 
I was about to say the same - I could keep going with the Dingley COX's but without knowing it's a possible right path. I think we truly cracked the Coleman/Yates mystery of the topic header, anyway
yes  love coming across one that can be 'run with' like this , with everyone adding juicy big bits to the jigsaw
Cheers
AMBLY
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RRYFS
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Thanks everybody - this is simply amazing. I only found rootschat yesterday, and when I posted the question I thought I might get the odd answer over the next six months or so! I have printed off the thread and may try to reply to specific points as I assimilate all the info, but some of it accords with snippets we already have. The surprise is that James and Caroline had 2 daughters who they named Caroline. The one we knew of was born c1853 and was indirectly responsible for a family tree which we inherited from my father. She married Richard Burchnall (or Birchnall) in 1882 and emigrated in 1895 to New York with 6 children in tow. During the war their grandson Rich turned up unannounced on my parents' doorstep in Leicester and informed them he was my Dad's cousin from the US. Coincidentally, he was almost certainly billetted in Braunstone Park where his Burchnall great-grandparents farmed! Anyway, they kept in touch, and my parents even stayed with them for part of one holiday in the States. At some point Rich and my Dad together produced a family tree. This went no further back than James & Caroline and was thin on dates. Since my parents and Rich are now dead, we no longer have contact.
I started looking back a few months ago and gradually using GR, Findmypast and the free BMD have picked up quite a lot - I knew the Preston connection and found out the emigration details and tracked George Yates (who was James' eldest) to Somerset. The problem is that with my wife's family as well, there are so many different lines to track, so I have now amassed an A4 binder full of census printouts!
On a technical point, I was just about to do a subscription with Findmypast when I discovered that their Parish Records do not include Leicestershire where most of my families originate - I have info on the "Poles" to before 1600 - does anyone have any recommendations?
Thanks again for all the help - I may throw you another mystery when I have time.
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Leicestershire - Yates, Wright, Pole, Blakesley
Dorset - Tilley, Hunt
Dorset/Somerset - Rogers
Dorset/Southampton - Trodd
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RRYFS
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Thanks again, both. I have now had time to look at one or two of your finds and would welcome a little further assistance if its not taking advantage of your generosity. You have uncovered the second Caroline in James and Caroline's family (I suppose technically she was the first Caroline). I think James was living in Sanvy Gate, St Margarets, Leicester in 1841 with a family named More, and you have found Caroline at home in Dingley. The details of James' parents was completely new to us, though I should have made the link that Ann Coleman was his mother. I would be very interested in any further details you could uncover about George and Ann - Ann's birth year is a movable feast in the censuses, but Leicester seems constant. Anything about George would be good as he is completely new to us. I wonder if Elizabeth Coleman might have been Samuel's daughter - surely they would be unlikely to rename a 10 year old when they married.
On the Cox line, I think the regular Barber name is a give away that this is the right family. It looks as if Caroline's father died fairly young, like James'. They seem to have been much more mobile, as the Baldock marriage suggests, so any further investigating may be harder - the 1841 transcript I have leaves Eliza's place of birth blank. Any more details you can track on the Cox family would be good.
I would be interested to know what resources you have access to in this detective work, or is it a trade secret?
Thanks again
Richard (it should be Richard from Leicester, though I left when I was 6!)
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Leicestershire - Yates, Wright, Pole, Blakesley
Dorset - Tilley, Hunt
Dorset/Somerset - Rogers
Dorset/Southampton - Trodd
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Annmoo
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Hi ! I know this is a fairly old thread but I'm a newbie so naturally trying to read everything remotely connected to my searches.
My mother's maiden name is Yates and we live in Leicester. My grandmother Annie Yates (nee Dodd) came from the Preston area and married George Harry Yates on 29th Sept 1927. Obviously I have lots more info on the family, my point being that if any of this connects with your search and I can help in anyway please feel free to give me a shout.
Annie
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Annmoo
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Hi Richard
It was mainly my Dodd's who came from Lancs.
George Harry Yates was son of Harry Beaumont Yates and Elizabeth Scarrett and most of the Yates came from Leics/Derbys.
Ps Can't believe you've gone so far back!!!!!! Thought I was doing well with 1790's lol.
xxx Annie
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Annmoo
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I have a George Blockley Yates b registered Mar 1880 at Peterborough. His parenys were Henry Yates and Louisa Blockley (married Dec 1871 in Leicester).
They are listed in 1901 Census as Shellbourne t, Leiceter (formerly North Evington) along with 10 of George's siblings.
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Annmoo
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Well the earliest so far (confirmed) is Thomas Yates C1795 He married Sarah Broughton 25th Jan 1819 at St. Margarets.
There are also some Yates' born to a Mary Yates who remarried a James Grice.
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