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Keeweegal
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The christian name ' SPARKES'
« on: Thursday 11 June 09 09:34 UTC (UK) »

Hi all  Wink

I have a feeling I may have asked this before....if I have I cannot find the thread and cannot,  probably because of a 'moment' remember asking before.   

I have a Sparkes Simkin in my tree.....can anyone tell me if this name is short for some other name?  perhaps a nickname?    I cannot locate very much info on this gentleman...other than a few census.   His wife was Susan,   they were born, raised and lived in Sudbury.

Cheers

Kimberly  Wink
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FARROW - CHRISTCHURCH, NZ
SIMKIN - BURY ST EDMUND'S, SUFFOLK
MORROW - CAVAN IRELAND
HERRON - IRELAND, LIVERPOOL, NEW ZEALAND
BORTHWICK - MID LOTHIAN SCOTLAND - NEW ZEALAND
HERBERT - MIDLOTHIAN - SCOT - SOUTH OTAGO - NEW ZEALAND
SMALL - VICTORIA - AUS - NZ
PRESSNEY / PRESTNEY - ESSEX, SUFFOLK
GREEN -  SUFFOLK
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karenlee
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Re: The christian name ' SPARKES'
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 11 June 09 10:05 UTC (UK) »


Hi

Could the name of Sparkes be a maiden name of one of his female forbears?? 

Karenlee
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Re: The christian name ' SPARKES'
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 11 June 09 12:02 UTC (UK) »

When I was still working in schools in this area, Sparkes was not uncommon.
So I go with Karenlee on this, probably a surname of one of the females on either parents side of the family.
(More recently it is a nickname for an electrician).

Pat ...
popping into Sudbury after lunch  Grin
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SUFFOLK - Pendle, Stygall, Pipe, Fruer, Bridges, Fisk, Bellamy, Sparham
DERBY - Bridges and Frost (originally from Framlingham/Parham Suffolk)
NOTTINGHAM - Lambert and Selby
BERKSHIRE/then Hammersmith/Barnes LND - Fulker
LONDON/MDX - Murray, Clancy, Broker, Hoskins, Marsden, Wilson, Sale

Gt-Grandfather Michael Wilson was born in Cork, lived in Fulham London - arrived Boston USA 1889 alone - what happened next?
Keeweegal
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Re: The christian name ' SPARKES'
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 11 June 09 13:26 UTC (UK) »

Hi Pat & Karenlee

Cheers for the hints,   alas I couldn't find anything for Sparkes Simkin.....hoping it might be a nickname for something else.   Will do some more digging......one never knows  Grin

Say hi to my ancestors at All Saints Pat..... Grin Grin

Kimberly
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FARROW - SUFFOLK
FARROW - CHRISTCHURCH, NZ
SIMKIN - BURY ST EDMUND'S, SUFFOLK
MORROW - CAVAN IRELAND
HERRON - IRELAND, LIVERPOOL, NEW ZEALAND
BORTHWICK - MID LOTHIAN SCOTLAND - NEW ZEALAND
HERBERT - MIDLOTHIAN - SCOT - SOUTH OTAGO - NEW ZEALAND
SMALL - VICTORIA - AUS - NZ
PRESSNEY / PRESTNEY - ESSEX, SUFFOLK
GREEN -  SUFFOLK
HASSAN - LONDONDERRY, IRELAND.
woody32
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Re: The christian name ' SPARKES'
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 11 June 09 13:54 UTC (UK) »

can only find the marriage entry on Pallot's..

Sparks Simkin married Sus'h Davies in 1820, St Mary's Whitechapel
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janan
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Re: The christian name ' SPARKES'
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 11 June 09 14:21 UTC (UK) »

Hi

I also think it might be a surname of a female ancestor. You may have to dig back a long way though- I had to go back to a 1625 marriage before finding out where Wandell as a first name came from in my family!

Found this on National Archives site which at least gives you his parents

Held at Suffolk Record Office, Bury St Edmunds Branch

A copy probate of will of Samuel Simkin of Sudbury, written 24 Feb 1837 proved. 8 Mar 1843 ref EE 501/11/108 

Contents:
To wife Elizabeth, his house, furniture and effects during life, then to children Sparks, John, William and Mary Simkin and Elizabeth Ling
Executors: son-in-law William Ling, sons Sparks and John

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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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Re: The christian name ' SPARKES'
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 11 June 09 14:42 UTC (UK) »

 From Pigots Directory 1823-4

Simkin, Samuel           Perfumer & Hair Cutter     Sudbury           
Simkin, Sparks           Haberdasher & Hardwareman  Sudbury       

see

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SFK/sfkp_y.txt

You could also try searching

http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/

Jan Wink
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
janan
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Re: The christian name ' SPARKES'
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 11 June 09 15:18 UTC (UK) »

Don't know whether you have this

Burial 18 Jan 1872 in Sudbury Cemetery
Sparks SIMKIN age 73

And this looks like his father

Burial 27 Feb 1843 at Sudbury St Peter
Samuel SIMKIN age 80

Jan Wink
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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Re: The christian name ' SPARKES'
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 11 June 09 16:28 UTC (UK) »

Thank you Janan, you have given me an idea  Cheesy

1844 White's

Market Hill, Sudbury perfumer and hair dresser Wm. Simkin

North Street, Sudbury Ironmonger Spark Simkin

Kimberley, do have a look on www.sudburysuffolk.co.uk/photoarchive to see if any photographs in case following generations of the family continued into the age of photographs?  At least you can get an idea of North Street, main shopping street and Market Hill - used to be the main shopping street, and it is where the market is  held every Thursday and Saturday.  Today the Market Hill has many shops, but even more banks and estate agents.

Pat ...
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Every time I find an ancestor, I have to find two more !

SUFFOLK - Pendle, Stygall, Pipe, Fruer, Bridges, Fisk, Bellamy, Sparham
DERBY - Bridges and Frost (originally from Framlingham/Parham Suffolk)
NOTTINGHAM - Lambert and Selby
BERKSHIRE/then Hammersmith/Barnes LND - Fulker
LONDON/MDX - Murray, Clancy, Broker, Hoskins, Marsden, Wilson, Sale

Gt-Grandfather Michael Wilson was born in Cork, lived in Fulham London - arrived Boston USA 1889 alone - what happened next?
janan
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Re: The christian name ' SPARKES'
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 11 June 09 16:46 UTC (UK) »

Maybe this young man is one of yours Kimberly

http://www.skinnerinc.com/asp/fullCatalogueSE.asp?salelot=2266+++++734+&refno=++583314

Jan Wink
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
woody32
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Re: The christian name ' SPARKES'
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 11 June 09 16:54 UTC (UK) »

nice find Smiley
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Keeweegal
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Re: The christian name ' SPARKES'
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 11 June 09 18:42 UTC (UK) »

Well... Shocked

Thanks Woody32  Cheesy   obviously my own search engine needs an overhaul Cry  I searched Pallots and didn't find that!   Thanks heaps.

Also Pat and Janan,  many many thanks for the helpful info and links,  time to make a cuppa and and go through all this.    A little bit of background on this family....Sparks/Sparkes is no direct relation...but his grandson Williams Sparks Simkin married into my family and settled in Bury St Edmunds and became a journalist for the East Anglian Times....I have since found out he and his wife Elizabeth died within a few months of each other in 1929,   don't really know why...but I found their life interesting.     

Thanks again everyone  Cheesy

Kimberly
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FARROW - SUFFOLK
FARROW - CHRISTCHURCH, NZ
SIMKIN - BURY ST EDMUND'S, SUFFOLK
MORROW - CAVAN IRELAND
HERRON - IRELAND, LIVERPOOL, NEW ZEALAND
BORTHWICK - MID LOTHIAN SCOTLAND - NEW ZEALAND
HERBERT - MIDLOTHIAN - SCOT - SOUTH OTAGO - NEW ZEALAND
SMALL - VICTORIA - AUS - NZ
PRESSNEY / PRESTNEY - ESSEX, SUFFOLK
GREEN -  SUFFOLK
HASSAN - LONDONDERRY, IRELAND.
Keeweegal
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Re: The christian name ' SPARKES'
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 11 June 09 18:57 UTC (UK) »

Hi all

Woody32 stated that Sparks and Susannah married St Mary's, Whitechapel.    I'm presuming that is Whitechapel, London?  Huh   I wonder why they married there?  being both from Sudbury?  or is there another Whitechapel near Suffolk I don't know about?

Perhaps they eloped  Cool

Kimberly
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FARROW - SUFFOLK
FARROW - CHRISTCHURCH, NZ
SIMKIN - BURY ST EDMUND'S, SUFFOLK
MORROW - CAVAN IRELAND
HERRON - IRELAND, LIVERPOOL, NEW ZEALAND
BORTHWICK - MID LOTHIAN SCOTLAND - NEW ZEALAND
HERBERT - MIDLOTHIAN - SCOT - SOUTH OTAGO - NEW ZEALAND
SMALL - VICTORIA - AUS - NZ
PRESSNEY / PRESTNEY - ESSEX, SUFFOLK
GREEN -  SUFFOLK
HASSAN - LONDONDERRY, IRELAND.
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Re: The christian name ' SPARKES'
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 11 June 09 19:58 UTC (UK) »

Sometimes a family will spark your interest (pun not intended Grin) - I often go scurrying off looking at non-direct lines (or completely unrelated) and you never know the information may turn out to be of use to a direct descendant.

St Mary's Whitechapel will be the one in East London - perhaps Sparks was an apprentice so not officially allowed to marry??

Jan Cheesy
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
Keeweegal
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Re: The christian name ' SPARKES'
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 11 June 09 20:14 UTC (UK) »

Hey Jan  Cheesy

Thanks for your reply  Grin Grin Grin...don't mean to be ignorant...but why would being an apprentice not allow you to marry?    I am getting curiouser and curioser  Undecided 

Kimberly  Smiley
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FARROW - SUFFOLK
FARROW - CHRISTCHURCH, NZ
SIMKIN - BURY ST EDMUND'S, SUFFOLK
MORROW - CAVAN IRELAND
HERRON - IRELAND, LIVERPOOL, NEW ZEALAND
BORTHWICK - MID LOTHIAN SCOTLAND - NEW ZEALAND
HERBERT - MIDLOTHIAN - SCOT - SOUTH OTAGO - NEW ZEALAND
SMALL - VICTORIA - AUS - NZ
PRESSNEY / PRESTNEY - ESSEX, SUFFOLK
GREEN -  SUFFOLK
HASSAN - LONDONDERRY, IRELAND.
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