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Topic: Help with James Branagh 18?? - 1908ish (Read 288 times)
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joram
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Hi, I was hoping to see if anyone had information on a James Branagh.
born: unknown
death: believe sometime between 1907-1910 since fell off belfast city directory in that time but could have just moved in with someone.
parents: unknown
m. Mary Jane Long date unknown
Lived at 17&19 Malvern St from about 1866 - 1907ish, first as a labourer but mostly as a grocer.
At least one son, Andrew Branagh b. 1 Apr 1866.
Am looking to fill in any of the blanks, birthdate, deathdate, parents, other children. Do appreciate the help.
Regards,
J
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aghadowey
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There are several free online sources you can check which might help.
1911 census for Co. Antrim (if James isn't listed other family members, inlcuding his widow, might be):
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search
Index to Irish civil registrations (search here to narrow down date- registrations by quarter).:
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails;t=searchable;c=1408347
PRONI Will searches: www.proni.gov.uk
You can search for marriage of James and Mary Jane on LDS Pilot site (link given above)- Catholic marriages from 1864, other marriages from 1845. A civil marriage record should list fathers' names and occupations.
Son Andrew's birth is listed in IGI (www.familysearch.org) but is a submitted record so may or may not be reliable.
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joram
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Hi, thank you for the tips.
Actually, have tried everything you suggested really and ran out of leads which is why I finally came here for help.
Most of those sites didn't turn out useful but I used Emerald Ancestors quite a bit as well as Lennon Wylie's website from which I was able to confirm the addresses and Andrew's birth records. Unfortunately even there ran out of leads.
I'll check out the LDS stuff some more but don't seem to remember any good leads from there but it never hurts to try again. I've tried hard to find a marriage certificate for James but so far have been unsuccesful! As shown, I can't even guess at an age but I suspect he may have died around 1908 which could have been what prompted Andrew to emigrate to Mexico at that time. That's pure speculation though. I just found it unusual that Andrew would wait so late in life (he was 42) with family and kids to move so figured his father dying may have been a reason. There's no will I found with the right location much less the date.
Until the 1901 Census goes online I think I may be stuck unless someone here just happens to have researched the person before.
I am thankful for your tips though. If anyone has any further info, I would sincerely appreciate it.
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aghadowey
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There's a death in civil registration index for a James Branagh (Oct./Dec.1906 Lurgan registration district) age 67 (born c1839)- could he have died away from home (at a son or daughter's residence for example?).
Note: may be registrion for this James Branagh?:
Probate of the Will of James Branagh late of Montiaghs County Antrim Farmer who died 10 December 1906 granted at Belfast to James McCreanor Farmer and David Mairs Merchant.
Will search on PRONI site shows this entry:
Probate of the Will of James Law late of Mosside County Antrim Labourer who died 4 March 1898 at 17 Malvern-street Belfast granted at Belfast to David Andrew of Mosside and William Hoy of Ballyclover both said County Farmers.
Are you sure James Branagh was living at the Malvern Street address until 1907 solely based on an entry in a directory? It may be that as his business became more prosperous he moved from above the shop to a better house.
There is a Will extract for a Jas Branagh granted 24 June 1918 with no further details given.
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joram
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Hi, thank you for continuing to look into this, I appreciate it.
Based on Lennon Wylie's transcribe of the 1907 Belfast directory, there is still a 'Jas Branagh' living at 17, 19 Malvern St as a grocer.
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/mcomplete1907.htm
I do not know enough about the directory to say if it was simply his store or if he actually above (or behind) the store. I would expect a company name like 'James Branagh's Neighborhood Grocery' or something if he didn't actually live there but who knows?
I had seen that 1906 will entry but the LW info made it seem like that would not be possible.
Very interesting find though on James Law though. Again, Lennon Wylie's belfast directories though show James Branagh at 17, 19 as early as 1877. Andrew's birth certificate though says James was at 15 Malvern in 1866 so I presume sometime between these two dates the grocer came into James' hands. So I do not know how to reconcile the James Law information except perhaps if he was a boarder.
In 1910 an Elizabeth Barclay lives at 17,19 Malvern St so I assumed she became the new proprietor.
The 1918 extract could be him but I have no idea how to link it back.
Thank you again for your help but I think I'm stuck still!
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joram
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Oh, and the 1911 Census shows several Elizabeth Barclay's in Co. Antrim but none in malvern st. I tried searching on Malvern St alone but there's hundreds of names and am not sure how to locate the right one.
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joram
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Hi, I was looking at this again today and remembered that the Belfast directory has James Branagh at 17/19 Malvern St in 1880 as well so he's listed there over a long time including the time that James Law dies there. Very strange to me. Is there any reason to doubt the directory or am I just missing something?
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joram
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Hi, I discovered 2 new pieces of info regarding the family discovered while researching Andrew's departure to Mexico.
1) In one document it says his closest living relative is his mother living at what looks like 5 Derlett st which I found to be on the other side of Belfast. This also means she was alive as of 16 Dec 1908 and also continues to make me think James has died by then (otherwise, why didn't he put him down)
2) In another immigration document, I was shocked to find that he listed a different relative, he had a brother named Robert Branagh who may have preceded him to Mexico. I was very shocked to see two different manifests of the same ship with different relatives but it at least it provided more information.
Again, my ultimate goal is learning more about James Branagh but figure filling out this other info may help someone determine if they have been researching the same family or not.
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