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chrissie0143
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Re: Please can someone check
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 14 June 09 10:47 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Barbara..
Its such a puzzle..I will let you know
Chrissie
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Liddle..Coxhoe..Kelloe..Durham
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chrissie0143
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Re: Please can someone check
« Reply #31 on: Monday 15 June 09 20:25 UTC (UK) »

Hello..
Just to say no joy really on the phone up North..no one can tell me Isabellas birth date...Not even date she died.
I am gutted. I have searched the years between 1965 and 1969,I found one but to old. 
Isabella was 55 when died..that I have been told,and it was just after Xmas and New year time.
I have searched all birth named Isabella for year 1912.Durham.just to see If I recognise any other Surnames!!!.
I cant sleep...Is that sad?Huh
Is there any other way I could try?HuhHuhHuh
Worn Out Chrissie
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Mitchinson ..Middlesbrough Durham
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Re: Please can someone check
« Reply #32 on: Monday 15 June 09 21:15 UTC (UK) »

Hi Chrissie,

oh dear, you may just have to accept this is one of those brick walls.  Sad

I looked for her death too, but only found one that was too old, 71 I think, unless that was a mistake.  You could always check that one just to see if the age is right, but that still won't find her birth.  Maybe she wasn't registered at all.

Barbara
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chrissie0143
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Re: Please can someone check
« Reply #33 on: Monday 15 June 09 21:40 UTC (UK) »

Hi Barbara,
Terrible isent it but I cant get her out of my head,was on the phone for ages to Durham, all the children are right ..older and one younger,I cant see they would not have registered her.
Do you think there is any point in me phoning Bishop Auckland back??
I thought the marriage cert might have done something,
Never mind,
Chrissie
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Barrow ..Houghton le Spring..Kelloe.Durham
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Stonehouse..Fishburn..Durham
Mitchinson ..Middlesbrough Durham
O1dgobbo
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Re: Please can someone check
« Reply #34 on: Monday 15 June 09 21:41 UTC (UK) »

Hi Chrissie

The death date is close to the date of a railway accident at Darlington

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My Grandmother died when I was about 5-8 I remember the train journey we took as my Mum had a message saying Isabella was ill....The train crashed at Darlington..So the year of her death must be about mid 60s

The Railways Archive site http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/ shows three accidents on the York Darlington line in the mid sixties

York 15 Jun 1965
Thirsk 31 July 1967
Darlington 11 Dec 1968

I can only find one Isabel Liddle in the death registrations for these periods: she is
Deaths Jul-Sep 1967 Isabel Liddle 76 S. Shields 1a 712

Clutching at straws it is vaguely possible that the index has recorded the age wrongly as 76 instead of 56.

All the best

Gobbo
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Re: Please can someone check
« Reply #35 on: Monday 15 June 09 21:58 UTC (UK) »

Well done with the train crash date, Gobbo  Smiley

Yes Chrissie and I  had both spotted that death, and I suggested she ask the register office if the age was correct. 

Sadly it still doesn't help with the birth.

Chrissie, if you feel so badly about it, you've nothing to lose by phoning Bishop Auckland again.

Barbara  Smiley
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chrissie0143
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Re: Please can someone check
« Reply #36 on: Monday 15 June 09 22:09 UTC (UK) »

Hi Gobbo..
Gosh how clever of you..I have often wondered if there was anything written about that crash...I remember a fireman getting me out of a window and a very high climb up an embankment..My Mum hurt her jaw and my Dad broke his collar bone...that really amazing.
Well my geuss was right it must be 1968 as it was winter,
Thankyou ever so much
Chrissie
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Liddle..Coxhoe..Kelloe..Durham
Stonehouse..Fishburn..Durham
Mitchinson ..Middlesbrough Durham
chrissie0143
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Re: Please can someone check
« Reply #37 on: Monday 15 June 09 22:31 UTC (UK) »

Thank Barbara..
Death must be Dec  1968 or a couple of days into the January of 69, At least thats something to go on...
Many thanks
Chrissie
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Mitchinson ..Middlesbrough Durham
angelfish58
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Re: Please can someone check
« Reply #38 on: Tuesday 16 June 09 08:34 UTC (UK) »

The only one I found was Isabella N Liddle 64 died MarQ1968 NewcastleT 1B 255, unfortunately it's a year out with the train crash but might be worth a phone call just to rule it out.
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chrissie0143
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Re: Please can someone check
« Reply #39 on: Tuesday 16 June 09 08:35 UTC (UK) »

Morning..
Waiting for a phone call from Bishop Auckland..
gave them a little more info,also the Hospital where she died...
Fingers crossed.
Chrissie
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Lowther..Kelloe..Durham
Barrow ..Houghton le Spring..Kelloe.Durham
Baldam..West Cornforth..Durham
Liddle..Coxhoe..Kelloe..Durham
Stonehouse..Fishburn..Durham
Mitchinson ..Middlesbrough Durham
chrissie0143
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Re: Please can someone check
« Reply #40 on: Tuesday 16 June 09 08:36 UTC (UK) »

Hello Angelfish,
Thanks so much,
Will let you know,
Chrissie
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Liddle..Coxhoe..Kelloe..Durham
Stonehouse..Fishburn..Durham
Mitchinson ..Middlesbrough Durham
chrissie0143
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Re: Please can someone check
« Reply #41 on: Tuesday 16 June 09 08:50 UTC (UK) »

No Joy...
No sign of her...Lady was so helpful,she said she checked find my past,all 1968 and 69 deaths.
Oh what a to do,
I havent been into this family research too long really but,I can see now why it really eats you up.
Thanks so much
Chrissie
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Barrow ..Houghton le Spring..Kelloe.Durham
Baldam..West Cornforth..Durham
Liddle..Coxhoe..Kelloe..Durham
Stonehouse..Fishburn..Durham
Mitchinson ..Middlesbrough Durham
angelfish58
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Re: Please can someone check
« Reply #42 on: Tuesday 16 June 09 09:30 UTC (UK) »

Assuming that your grandad is no longer alive, and apologies if he is, do you know where he's buried or when he died as he might be buried with Isabella and if he is then you should be able to get her details from the cemetery office.
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chrissie0143
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Re: Please can someone check
« Reply #43 on: Tuesday 16 June 09 10:23 UTC (UK) »

Hi Angelfish..
He died late 80s Definately not buried with him. I am told they were divorced.
Also told she was creameted.
If they were divorced Huh?
Chrissie
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Barrow ..Houghton le Spring..Kelloe.Durham
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Liddle..Coxhoe..Kelloe..Durham
Stonehouse..Fishburn..Durham
Mitchinson ..Middlesbrough Durham
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Re: Please can someone check
« Reply #44 on: Tuesday 16 June 09 10:34 UTC (UK) »

Hi

I have had a more careful look at the train crash data site.  I assume that Chrissie was travelling from the South to the North, i.e. Kings Cross to Darlington or Newcastle.  If this is right it rules out the accident at Darlington station on 11th December 1968, which involved an express travelling from Newcastle to Kings Cross:: in addition there were no reported injuries in this derailment and there is no mention of an embankment in the report.

The accident at Thirsk on 31 July 1967 involved a collision between the 12.00 express from Kings Cross to Edinburgh and a derailed cement truck from a goods train.  The crash took place on an embankment section of track although the express did not go down the embankment.  There were seven fatalities and 45 people injured.  Thirsk is just over half the distance from York to Darlington so I think it quite likely that many of the injured would have been taken to Darlington for treatment. So, despite Chrissie's recollection that it was winter time I think Jul-Sep 1967 is the most likely quarter for the registration of Isabelle Liddle's death and I would be very tempted to splash out £7 on a copy of that South Shields death certificate despite the indexed age.

All the best

Gobbo
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