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purgavie - longforgan(MI's)
« on: Friday 12 June 09 10:27 UTC (UK) »
hi all  Smiley

i have david purgavie born 1796 longforgan
parents david purgavie and margaret lindsay
he married elizabeth forrester and died 1869 in trottick dundee
i have lot of info. on the purgavie's but was wondering if anyone has a
connection to them or any further information about them in longforgan
i.e. MI'S etc
family rumour is that the surname is of spanish origins and that the family
served one of the lords of perth(at some point)
david's grandparents are possibly william purgavie and elizabeth robertson

a lot of the family were in angus 1841+

thanks

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Re: purgavie - longforgan(MI's)
« Reply #1 on: Friday 12 June 09 11:53 UTC (UK) »
Hi Ev  Smiley

Potential sister to David b. 1796:

1853

Octr 16 - Margaret Purgavie an unmarried woman daughter of the late David Purgavie Weaver Longforgan aged 53 years was buried - Purgavie

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ANGUS/2001-07/0996528175

Hopefully someone may have MI book for Longforgan  Smiley

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Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

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Re: purgavie - longforgan(MI's)
« Reply #2 on: Friday 12 June 09 12:41 UTC (UK) »
thanks monica  Smiley

i did have this date from somewhere as a death date but it looks like a burial date
david purgavie senior was a weaver as noted on his son davids
death cert.
margarets age is a bit out(born 1804) but i think this is her
the name just isn't that common

ev

ps all children of david purgavie and margaret lindsay(all born longforgan)

james purgavie b. 1795 d. 1840 killed by cart(dundee howff)
david purgavie b 1796 d. 1869(census 1841/1851/1861)
elizabeth purgavie b.1798(no further details)
alexander purgavie b. 1799 d. 1861(census 1841/1851/1861)
ann purgavie b. 1802 d. 1889(census 1881)
margaret purgavie b.1804 d.1853(census 1851)
janet purgavie b.1805(no further details)
william purgavie b. 1807 d. 1872(census 1851/1861)
euphane purgavie b. 1809 d. 1872(census 1861)
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Re: purgavie - longforgan(MI's)
« Reply #3 on: Friday 12 June 09 14:57 UTC (UK) »
The only other bits I could see at the moment was this:

http://robertwhitton.eu/person.php?id=12470&fam=2&pat=Purgavie

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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

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Re: purgavie - longforgan(MI's)
« Reply #4 on: Friday 12 June 09 16:46 UTC (UK) »
Ev, I think you have the only Purgavie line in the whole of Scotland for that period  Grin

Hopefully filling a few gaps on the censuses:

1. I think William and Margaret are working together in 1841:

William Purgare, 30, carter, b. Scotland
Margaret Purgaret, 30, FS, b. Scotland

Address: Coupars Ally, Dundee - lots of people at this address.

2. A maybe for Ann in 1841 and 1851:

Ann Purgarn, 30, FS, b. Scotland - working at the Meldrum household
Address: Shore Terese, Dundee

Ann Purgavie, 35, FS, b. Longforgan - working at the Ramsay household
Address: Seafield Cottage, Dundee

3. I think Euphane married although she shows with William brother by 1861. There is a marriage showing on 26 MAY 1850 in Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh. Her father shows as David. Husband James Bertram. Can't see them as yet in 1851.

There is also a possible entry for her in Midlothian for 1841:

Euphenia Pulgare, 25, FS, b. Scotland - working at the Wilson household
Address: Pottenshouse, Lasswade, Midlothian

Monica

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Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

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Re: purgavie - longforgan(MI's)
« Reply #5 on: Friday 12 June 09 16:53 UTC (UK) »
Possible marriage for Janet:

JANET PURGAVIE 
Parents:DAVID PURGAVIE    
Marriages:JOHN GRAY Marriage: 01 JUN 1834 Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh

One daughter shows on IGI:

AUGUSTA GRAY  Christening: 12 APR 1840 Dalmeny, West Lothian

Family in 1851:

Janet Gray 40, Flour Miller Wife, b. Longforgan
Helen Gray 12, b. Dalmeny, Linlithgowsh
Augusta Gray 11, b. Dalmeny, Linlithgowsh
John Gray 9, b. Dalmeny, Linlithgowsh
David Gray 8, b. Edinburgh
George Gray 4, b. Edinburgh

Address: Leven Lodge, Edinburgh

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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

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Re: purgavie - longforgan(MI's)
« Reply #6 on: Friday 12 June 09 17:48 UTC (UK) »
Is this David's entry on SP's Wills & Testaments:

David Purgavie, 15/02/1869, Plash Miller at Trottick in the parish of Mains at Dundee Sheriff Court    SC45/31/21

Last one from me  Smiley There are a couple of trees showing on Ancestry for the family lines down from:

James Purgavie, born 1855 in the Parish of Liff who shows as a Police Constable in Dundee in 1881. Son of an Alexander P. and Jessie Bell. He married a Euphemia Gray.

Charles Burns Purgavie, b. 1859 in Kinclaven Perthshire, son of James - b. Longforgan c. 1824 - and Ann Grant). Charles Purgavie married a Mary Reid and moved at some point to Glasgow.

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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

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Re: purgavie - longforgan(MI's)
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 13 June 09 09:36 UTC (UK) »
thank you monica  Smiley

william & margaret are still at coupars alley in 1851
shown as ann purgavie on 1841 census(freeCEN) so looks good even
if age is out in 1851 , on 1881 age 78 cook/domestic dundee(b. longforgan)

i'll need to check the midlothian connections and the families lower down
given that the name is very uncommon it might be worth a project on it's own

thanks once again

ev

ps the janet purgavie marriage to john gray looks very good
     1881 janet gray widow 75 born longforgan with children
    so midlothian connections are very likely
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Re: purgavie - longforgan(MI's)
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 16 June 09 11:10 UTC (UK) »
Hope this is of interest. Longforgan, circa 1900

regards

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* longforgan001.jpg (385.88 KB, 1000x561 - viewed 144 times.)
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Re: purgavie - longforgan(MI's)
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 16 June 09 11:57 UTC (UK) »
hi dixons  Smiley

thanks for that , nice photograph

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Re: purgavie - longforgan(MI's)
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 17 June 09 18:25 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: dixons on Tuesday 16 June 09 11:10 UTC (UK)
Hope this is of interest. Longforgan, circa 1900

regards

dixons
  I just wanted to say what a lovely photograph so very nice to see.
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Re: purgavie - longforgan(MI's)
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 16 July 09 04:39 UTC (UK) »
I have some Purgavie connections with Longforgan

Could be James Galloway Purgavie b 02FEB1824 at Mireside ch 15FEB1824 at Longforgan; d 12 JUN1892; married to Anne Grant, b 1818, d 04NOV1864

1861 Census
Kinclaven, Perthshire
at East Woodend

James Purgavie, 37, labourer, b Longforgan, Perthshire
Ann, wife, 43, b Arbroath, Forfarshire
Ann, daughter, unmarried, 17, domestic servant, b Lundie, Forfarshire
Elizabeth, daughter, 7, scholar, b Fowlis, Perthshire
Euphemia, daughter, 5, scholar, b Lundie, Forfarshire
James, son, 12, scholar, b Lundie, Forfarshire
Francis, son 10, b Lundie, Forfarshire
Charles, son, 1, b Kinclaven, Perthshire
Francis Laughlin, lodger, unmarried, 25, labourer, b Ireland
Thomas Ginnis, lodger, unmarried, 20, labourer, b Ireland

1881 Census at Kinclaven, Perthshire (Highlands)
Eastwoodland
James Purgavie, head, widowed, 58, gamekeeper, b Longorgan, Perth
Elizabeth Purgavie, daughter, unmarried, 27, domestic servant, b Fowlis Easter, Perth
David Purgavie, son, unmarried, 18, farm servant, b Kinclaven, Perth
Charles Purgavie, grandson, 3 months, b Coupar Angus, Forfar


1891 Census
Woodside, Cargill, East Perthshire
at Perth Road

James Purgavie, head, widower, 67, general labourer, working on own account, b Longforgan, Perthshire
Rooms with one or more windows: 2

Elizabeth Purgavie, head, unmarried, 36, laundress, employed, b Liff, Forfarshire
Charles Purgavie, son, 10, scholar, b Coupar Angus, Forfarshire
David Purgavie, son, 10 months, b Cargill, Perthshire
Rooms with one or more windows: 1


DEATH
James Purgavie died at age 67 on July 12 1891 at Woodside, Cargill.  He was a gamekeeper; widower of Ann Grant.  His father was David Purgavie, a common labourer, deceased.  Mother's name is not on the death register.  Signed by son-in-law Alexander Fender, husband of Euphemia Millar Purgavie.
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Re: purgavie - longforgan(MI's)
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 16 July 09 09:04 UTC (UK) »
hi david  Smiley

i have replied to your other post
i have james galloway purgavie b. 1824 d. 1891 but have his father & mother
as alexander purgavie and ann wynd as per the IGI  Undecided
to view the tree so far go to tribalpages and enter the site ID - ev1304666

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Re: purgavie - longforgan(MI's)
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 17:06 UTC (UK) »

Although English, I am moving to Edinburgh for 6 months and will be only a short distance from Kinclaven where my great-grandmother (Christina Burns b.1884) was born.

Christina and her several sisters were born onto a family-run farm. Their father was William Burns (1840-1909) but their mother was Isabella Purgavie (1845-1938)

Although in this discussion she is not mentioned as a daughter of James Purgavie and Ann Grant by my reckoning she could theoretically be their eldest daughter who - at the age of 16 in the 1861 census- may already have moved out of the family home?
Would this sound credible?
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Re: purgavie - longforgan(MI's)
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 18:38 UTC (UK) »
hi Brian  Smiley

welcome to rootschat  Smiley

the IGI has isabella purgavie born 18th april 1846 lundie and fowlis
parents james purgavie and anne grant
i have children so far to william burns and isabella purgavie as -

ann born 1871 errol(possibly not williams)
isabella b. 1876 kinclaven
john b. 1878 kinclaven
margaret b. 1880 kinclaven

the purgavie tree(so far) is on tribalpages(site ID - ev1304666)

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