BarnabyP
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Hello k182. Only just saw your message.
If your grandfather joined around 1926 I would suggest the Alphabetical Registers of Joiners or Attestation Ledgers. There are only photos of the Attestation Ledgers at the moment. I do have the Alphabetical Registers on photo but not yet available on flickr. If you let me know the person's name I can do a quick check for you.
The Metropolitan Police Records (MEPO) page on Your Archives is a good resource for finding out which books will be of help, if you want to go to The National Archives instead.
Hope that's of some help, BarnabyP
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BarnabyP
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Hello K182.
I could only find two J Bucklands in the Alphabetical Register of Joiners running from 1902 to 1933. They were:
Warrant No. Names, Date of Joining, Division
101403, Buckland, James Andrew, 1912-06-24, W
Division W was Clapham though. There is a cancelled leaving for this person in the Registers of Leavers in 1915 and they were still in division W. They could have transferred though.
There was a James Alfred Buckland (96497) who joined in 1909 and left in 1924, who was in division N (which is around Islington) for that whole period.
Neither of these look helpful as neither meet the criteria given.
Yours, BarnabyP
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BarnabyP
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Hello K182.
I have looked for a further leaving entry in the Registers of Leavers ahead of where I have transcribed up to - but have been unable to. If James had stayed in for 25 years (which is how long he would have had to, to have achieved a pension) then he would have re-left in Jun/Jul 1947. Unfortunately the Registers of Leavers only go up to January of 1947.
Is it possible that he left in Summer of that year or later? When he moved, did he leave London?
If he did leave after 1947 then there's a good chance that there's a pension record for him. I don't think TNA have any officer service records, so a pension record is your best chance.
Yours, BarnabyP
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mentmore
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Is someone kind enough to help? I cannot find my way around this Met Police Records site,
According to 1911 census Albert George Kent age 31 born Mentmore Bucks and Alfred Groom age 28 born Ivinghoe, Bucks were police constables.
Would appreciate if any records could be found.
Thank you
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BarnabyP
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Hello K182
My great-great-grandfather, who left in 1901, had the following on his pension record:
Name (perhaps obviously)
Rank
Date of leaving
Amount of pay
Pension amount
Age on resignation (or date of birth)
Length of service
Height, hair and complexion
Information about service
Marital status
Next of kin
Present address
Pensioners signature
Things changed over the years, though.
Yours, BarnabyP
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BarnabyP
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Hello Mentmore.
I have had a quick look on the 1901 census. It says that Albert Kent was a constable in the City Police. Which I would interpret to mean that he was in the City Of London Police. Do you know which force he was an officer in.
If he's a City of London Police Officer the documents about that force are not held at TNA. I did a quick search on Google and came-up with this page: What records do we hold?. If you scroll down there are a series of links, one of the titled, 'City of London Police Officers'.
Is it possible that he could have transferred to the Metropolitan Police Force?
I found an Alfred Groom who joined the Metropolitan Police Force on 22nd June 1908 with Warrant No. 95846 and resigned 26 June 1933. This was found on the Alphabetical Registers of Joiners. But this information is also on the Attestation Ledger - does that look like his signature? - and the Register of Leavers. This would generally be long enough for a pension to have been issued. With the date of leaving a pension record should be easy to find (under MEPO 21 at the National Archives).
Hopefully this is of some help, BarnabyP
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mentmore
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Hi BarnabyP
Thanks for replying, as for Albert Kent all have is from the 1901 census which states he is residing at Snow Hill Police Station, and a constable in the City police. I have emailed I think it was the LMA to enquire as to whether they hold records and have never received an reply.
But, I do thank you for the info on Alfred Groom.
Carol
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Fay Turner
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Hi Barnaby - I have tried to search for John James Turner who is listed on the 1901 census as a Constable in the Metropolitan Police aged 26 but I'm afraid I'm not getting very far! Would you be able to do a quick look up for me please or tell me how to do it myself?
Many thanks.
Fay Turner
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BarnabyP
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Hello Fay. I have just had a quick look and came-up with the following:
John James Waldock Turner, Joined:1895, Left:1912, Wt No.:80815, ROL: MEPO 4/344 [Pg 86].
Does the information look right? There are other James Turners, with different and no middle names. This one seems a good candidate though. You can see whether his signature on the Attestation Ledger matches that on the 1911 census - if he filled it in and/or if he signed it. You can get to further records through links on the site.
My advice for people searching is: The best way is to search Your Archives is using 'ROL' and the surname - Turner in this case and possibly the first name. This should then produce a list of relevant results.
Yours BarnabyP
[EDITED: Saturday 17 October 09 00:28 BST (UK)] To correct information.
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BarnabyP
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Hello Jen.
Just had a look and have found a William Samuel Wright on the Registers of Leavers MEPO 4/350 Page 14. There's no transcription but there is a picture - about half way down the right-hand page. You should also be able to find his signature on the Attestation Ledger and he appears to have been pensioned also.
Hope that's helpful, BarnabyP
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