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Guidance Requested for NICHOLSON's Of Co. Down
« on: Friday 12 June 09 16:44 UTC (UK) »

Hello Everyone! Grin
My troublesome NICHOLSON line is as follows:

William Henry NICHOLSON b 14Jan1872 Co. Down Ireland
lived at 53 Solway St Belfast, Knockbreda Co. Down at the time of his first marriage at Westbourne Presbyterian Church
 to Mary Ann WIGHTMAN 25 Feb 1898(dau. of James WIGHTMAN)
NOTE:
William and Mary Ann's ages are listed "FA" on the Marriage Record
 Can some one tell me what that means? Full Age maybe?

At the time of his second marriage 24 Dec 1902
to my Great Grandmother
Isabella Margaret GLENNIE b 16Sep1879 Bexhill Sussex England
(dau. of Maximillian Adolphus GLENNIE and Annie RYLAND)
William lived at 64 Chadolly St and was recorded as a widower.
William & Isabella were married in St. Patrick's Church of Ireland,
B'Macarrett Belfast Knockbreda Co Down.


On both of the marriage records is the name of William Henry NICHOLSON's father as Henry NICHOLSON
no mothers name recorded on either record.

My question is this
Where might i begin to find Henry?
 The task seems daunting.

I am  most grateful for any ideas suggestions or guidance, or a wee lookup. Wink

Many thanks
Noreen ATHERLEY
Great Grandaughter of William Henry NICHOLSON
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LJReb123
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Re: Guidance Requested for NICHOLSON's Of Co. Down
« Reply #1 on: Friday 12 June 09 17:33 UTC (UK) »

Hello

my family are from the same area-

does this link mean anything?

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002191937/

David
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Re: Guidance Requested for NICHOLSON's Of Co. Down
« Reply #2 on: Friday 12 June 09 17:59 UTC (UK) »

Hello David,
Thank you for the reply!
Yes those are my NICHOLSON's just two years prior to William's emigration to Canada in 1913
with Bella and children following in 1914.

Annie listed on the 1911 Census is my paternal Grandmother Smiley
I did already have this, but thank you for offering it to me  Smiley

Who are you researching?

Kind regards,
Noreen
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Re: Guidance Requested for NICHOLSON's Of Co. Down
« Reply #3 on: Friday 12 June 09 18:03 UTC (UK) »

My mother's side are the Cash's from Chadolly, Cuba, Convention and especially Fraser Street Smiley (See the other posts from Matron). Do you have the Covenant links?

Welcome BTW Smiley

FA is 'full age'. Pres records will give occupations.

Are you in NI?

David
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Re: Guidance Requested for NICHOLSON's Of Co. Down
« Reply #4 on: Friday 12 June 09 19:06 UTC (UK) »

Hi Again Grin
I'm in Ontario Canada
What are Pres records?

Yes I have the Covenant Records William & Isabella both signed  Grin
as did a GLENNIE or two of mine

Talk to you soon :-)
Noreen
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Re: Guidance Requested for NICHOLSON's Of Co. Down
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 13 June 09 11:10 UTC (UK) »

There are only two Henry Nicholsons listed leasing property in N. Ireland around 1864, one in Drumadoney, Dromara Parish, and one in Lisnawhiggel, Connor Parish.  There are three listed in Southern Irish Counties.  Where did William say he was born (on the census return)?  What was his father's occupation given as on his marriage certificate?  RosemaryJoan
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Re: Guidance Requested for NICHOLSON's Of Co. Down
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 13 June 09 13:47 UTC (UK) »

Hello RosemaryJoan,
Thank you for your reply to my posting,

On William's marriage record, Henry is shown as a laborer
The parish/ district is given as Belfast Co. Down
The Church was in B'Macarrett-St. Patrick's Church of Ireland

On the census and actually every single document including Canadian documents,
that i have been able to see William is shown as being born in County Down.
And family tradition agreed with those facts as William was an Orangeman.

William is also known by my procurment of his Canadian Military papers WW1
as having been in Royal Irish Rifles for 13yrs

I imagine that was prior to him leaving the UK in 1913.



Thank you for any help you might be able to provide, I am really at a brick wall.

1) I have been unable to locate a birth cert for William that I was hoping might show both parents names
or some other little "gem" of info that would allow me to pick up the trail.

2) I have not been able to ascertain with any degree of certainty anything about Henry other than his given name and occupation. That being from Williams marriage cert.


Thank you for any help/guidance you might be able to provide, I am really at a brick wall.
And feel as though i am overlooking something.

Kindest Regards,
Noreen

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Re: Guidance Requested for NICHOLSON's Of Co. Down
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 13 June 09 14:25 UTC (UK) »

as you are stuck why not check out this family their could be a connection

James Nicholson 6/5/1866

Agnes 10/3/1868

Henry  7/2/1870

Arabella 5/6/1873

Father Henry Nicholson
mother  Agnes Rainey

all born Hillsborough Co Down

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Re: Guidance Requested for NICHOLSON's Of Co. Down
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 13 June 09 16:44 UTC (UK) »

in 1863 there were lots of Nicholsons living in Drumadoney, Parish of Dromara (about 5 miles from Hillsborough, among them, Henry, James,John,Richard and William. 
Henry Nicholson (father Henry) married Agnes Rainey (father William) in 1865.  Cannot find out which church but their marriage is in www.ancestryireland.co.uk and you can view it for £4.  It looks as if these might be William Henry's parents.  If you can find out the church you will probably find his baptism in the Church Records.  He may not have been registered as 'William Henry' - possibly Henry William??
Many people were moving to Belfast at this time for work (my own included - from the next townland!) and if Henry was a younger son, he would have to make his own way, rather than work on on the famioy farm.
This marriage would be worth a look.  RosemaryJoan
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Re: Guidance Requested for NICHOLSON's Of Co. Down
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 13 June 09 17:21 UTC (UK) »

 Smiley Hello Again Rosemary Joan
I have an ancestry world deluxe subscription, so off i go to see what i might find there
Irish gen is difficult, i am so grateful for all of your assistance, if i can ever do a look up for you, please don't hesitate to ask.

I really appreciate other list members who have posted  advice suggestions about my dilema.

Many many thanks
Noreen
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Re: Guidance Requested for NICHOLSON's Of Co. Down
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 13 June 09 18:01 UTC (UK) »

Very few Irish records are on Ancestry.
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Re: Guidance Requested for NICHOLSON's Of Co. Down& ATTN: ROSEMARY JOAN
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 13 June 09 18:18 UTC (UK) »

*sigh* yes i agree
i do have subscription at ancestryireland.com
and several others ;

RosemaryJoan
I went and pulled the record for Henry's marriage to Agnes RAINEY
It shows Henry age 30 in 1865 a widower townland/street Ballykeel
Occupation: Weaver
Denomination: Civil Parish
Fathers name: Henry NICHOLSON - Farmer
no mothers name listed-blank

It appears to me to be a Civil Marriage as that is stated at the top of the record Undecided
On certificate is the name
H. Major (a JP?)
Lisburn Reg Office Civil
Lisburn
Blaris
Co. Antrim

Now let me see if i am understanding this correctly ASSUMING this is My Henry

Henry NICHOLSON who m Agnes RAINEY 25Oct1865
is the assumed father of my William Henry?
This would mean then, assuming we have all our NICHOLSON's lined up that Agnes RAINEY NICHOLSON is the Mother of William Henry.
Am i making sense?
I only need enough data to apply for William Henry's birth cert from GRONI or PRONI
i tried today but they wanted mothers name and other data i did not possess.

Oh Dear RosemaryJoan,
thank you so much!
Sometimes having someone knowledgeable to bounce info with is so helpful, and very appreciated.

Gratefully,

Noreen
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Re: Guidance Requested for NICHOLSON's Of Co. Down
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 13 June 09 18:31 UTC (UK) »

as you are stuck why not check out this family their could be a connection

James Nicholson 6/5/1866

Agnes 10/3/1868

Henry  7/2/1870

Arabella 5/6/1873

Father Henry Nicholson
mother  Agnes Rainey

all born Hillsborough Co Down

Audrey

Hello Audrey
Yes i think this will help break me out from behind this brick wall!
Thank you ever so much for your help!
Noreen
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Re: Guidance Requested for NICHOLSON's Of Co. Down
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 13 June 09 19:16 UTC (UK) »

Darn it!  I was hoping that they married in church!  However, we will have to find where the other children were baptised. 
Ballykeel is the next Townland to Drumadoney.  In Griffiths Valuation we have Thomas Rainey, leasing land in Ballykeel.  Would this be Agnes's father by any chance?  Ballykeel in a Townland in Dromore Parish.  There are a few Presbyterian Churches in this area so we might be able to find out which one the Nicholson's attended.
However, in Emerald Ancestors we have a Henry Nicholson, born 1870, Co. Down, and a William Nicholson, born 1871 Co. Down.  I don't have a subscription for Emerald just now.  Anyone else have one?? Could he have given the wrong year for his birth?   RosemaryJoan
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Re: Guidance Requested for NICHOLSON's Of Co. Down
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 13 June 09 19:24 UTC (UK) »

RJ
I have one i think i've subscribed to so many lately i can't keep track!
but i am not sure what to look for exactly!
I don't believe so, as every single document is consisten with 14Jan1872 on militarypapers anyways
but i had originally thought 1868 and for the life of me i can't remember why although there must have been a
good reason..hmmmm
let me know,
Noreen
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