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Gaille
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Any ideas of date / Regiment (2) ?
« on: Friday 12 June 09 20:38 UTC (UK) »
Anyone have any ideas of regiment & date?

I posted this a while back but the scan wasnt very good so I have re-scanned it.

Not sure how clear it is but it has "158" next to the stick.

Gaille

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Cheshire Latchford – Bibby / Savage / Smith.
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Shropshire Wellington, Wobwell – Smith
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Re: Any ideas of date / Regiment (2) ?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 12 June 09 22:16 UTC (UK) »
Its Circa Great War...he has possibly a Regimental Police armband on
Can you get a good scan of cap badge should be able to id it.

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Re: Any ideas of date / Regiment (2) ?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 13 June 09 06:12 UTC (UK) »
At first glance it looks like the cap badge of The Prince of Wale's Volunteers, The South Lancashire Regiment but a better high res' image of just the badge may say one way or the other.

It also has  what looks like A. S. Wilson (and another line of writing that I can not work out) in the bottom right hand corner of the image, photographer perhaps?

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Re: Any ideas of date / Regiment (2) ?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 13 June 09 12:38 UTC (UK) »
Hi,

Thanks for looking Smiley

I will do a close up on the cap badge & the writing as soon as I can get my PSP to be nice & open (its being tempramental right now!)

Gaille
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Manchester – Bate(s) / Bebbington / Coppock or Coppart / Evans / Mitchell / Prince / Smith

Cheshire Latchford – Bibby / Savage / Smith.
Cheshire Macclesfield,  Bollington & Rainow – Childs / Flint / Mc'rea
Cheshire Crewe – Bate(s) / Bebbington
Shropshire Wellington, Wobwell – Smith
Walsall Midds – Smith

Also looking for:
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any relatives of Margaret Bibby married to Thomas Smith all over country
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Re: Any ideas of date / Regiment (2) ?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 13 June 09 15:03 UTC (UK) »
The badge is South Lancs (PWV) Regt.

WW1 vintage, no toe caps on his boots?

Cant read the bottom line of writing, its looks like 'Border Regt.' but that makes no sense.

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Re: Any ideas of date / Regiment (2) ?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 13 June 09 15:06 UTC (UK) »
This isnt the same guy from your other photo ?

The other photo looks like Boer War period, this one is later - but the South Lancs were based in Warrington, so this photo is a local regiment to either photo.
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« Reply #6 on: Saturday 13 June 09 16:13 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: Pete Keane on Saturday 13 June 09 15:06 UTC (UK)
This isnt the same guy from your other photo ?

The other photo looks like Boer War period, this one is later - but the South Lancs were based in Warrington, so this photo is a local regiment to either photo.

Hi Pete,

I honestly dont know if its the same person, South Lancs WOULD tie in - the Family were based around Latchford in Warrington for generations.

I am just in the process of re-installing my PSP so I can try & zoom in on some of the details.

Gaille
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Manchester – Bate(s) / Bebbington / Coppock or Coppart / Evans / Mitchell / Prince / Smith

Cheshire Latchford – Bibby / Savage / Smith.
Cheshire Macclesfield,  Bollington & Rainow – Childs / Flint / Mc'rea
Cheshire Crewe – Bate(s) / Bebbington
Shropshire Wellington, Wobwell – Smith
Walsall Midds – Smith

Also looking for:
Mc'Rea/McCrea – Ireland to Cheshire

And
any relatives of Margaret Bibby married to Thomas Smith all over country
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Re: Any ideas of date / Regiment (2) ?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 13 June 09 19:26 UTC (UK) »
I'm not sure the earlier photo is SLancs, cant see any collar dogs.
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Re: Any ideas of date / Regiment (2) ?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 13 June 09 23:12 UTC (UK) »
Cap Badge & close up of Corner.

I have tried to sharpen the writing but it just emphasises the scratches instead!

Gaille

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Manchester – Bate(s) / Bebbington / Coppock or Coppart / Evans / Mitchell / Prince / Smith

Cheshire Latchford – Bibby / Savage / Smith.
Cheshire Macclesfield,  Bollington & Rainow – Childs / Flint / Mc'rea
Cheshire Crewe – Bate(s) / Bebbington
Shropshire Wellington, Wobwell – Smith
Walsall Midds – Smith

Also looking for:
Mc'Rea/McCrea – Ireland to Cheshire

And
any relatives of Margaret Bibby married to Thomas Smith all over country
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Re: Any ideas of date / Regiment (2) ?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 14 June 09 08:34 UTC (UK) »
Id say its South Lancs  Reg as stated above...Hes an "older" lad maybe prior WW1 service ? cant see any Boer War Medal ribbons though..

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Re: Any ideas of date / Regiment (2) ?
« Reply #10 on: Monday 29 June 09 14:23 UTC (UK) »
I'd go with the South Lancs Rgt as well.

Looks like the photo was taken in the late 20's early 30's and he's parading his old uniform for the camera. I'm sure it's the same chap as well!

You could always take both photos along to the museum if you're in the area and see what they have to say. They're based in Warrington at:

Peninsula Barracks
Warrington
Cheshire
WA2 7BR
England

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Re: Any ideas of date / Regiment (2) ?
« Reply #11 on: Monday 29 June 09 14:32 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: DavidGreenall110 on Monday 29 June 09 14:23 UTC (UK)
I'd go with the South Lancs Rgt as well.

Looks like the photo was taken in the late 20's early 30's and he's parading his old uniform for the camera. I'm sure it's the same chap as well!

You could always take both photos along to the museum if you're in the area and see what they have to say. They're based in Warrington at:

Peninsula Barracks
Warrington
Cheshire
WA2 7BR
England

David

Hmmm I am not far away but housebound right now (recovering from an operation)
Wonder if I could email them the photos maybe, have to give them a call now & see.

I kind of thought turn of the centuary to end of WW1 given the handlebar style moustache cos I have seen photos of WW1 generals & the like with them.

now to figure out who he is, I will let you know what the museum says.

Thank You

Gaille
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Manchester – Bate(s) / Bebbington / Coppock or Coppart / Evans / Mitchell / Prince / Smith

Cheshire Latchford – Bibby / Savage / Smith.
Cheshire Macclesfield,  Bollington & Rainow – Childs / Flint / Mc'rea
Cheshire Crewe – Bate(s) / Bebbington
Shropshire Wellington, Wobwell – Smith
Walsall Midds – Smith

Also looking for:
Mc'Rea/McCrea – Ireland to Cheshire

And
any relatives of Margaret Bibby married to Thomas Smith all over country
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Re: Any ideas of date / Regiment (2) ?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 29 June 09 15:02 UTC (UK) »
Gaille,

Try this one instead:

 The Curator

    The Queen's Lancashire Regiment Museum
    Fulwood Barracks
    Preston
    PR2 8AA
     

    Telephone: (01772) 260362
    FAX (01772) 260583
    e-mail: qlrmuseum@btconnect.com

 The South Lancs merged with the East Lancs in 1958 and this is the combined museum.

David
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Re: Any ideas of date / Regiment (2) ?
« Reply #13 on: Monday 29 June 09 15:10 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: DavidGreenall110 on Monday 29 June 09 15:02 UTC (UK)
Gaille,

Try this one instead:

 The Curator

    The Queen's Lancashire Regiment Museum
    Fulwood Barracks
    Preston
    PR2 8AA
     

    Telephone: (01772) 260362
    FAX (01772) 260583
    e-mail: qlrmuseum@btconnect.com

 The South Lancs merged with the East Lancs in 1958 and this is the combined museum.

David

Just called them & the man I spoke to said to email them over including the close up of the cap badge & he will take a look at them this week for me  Cheesy

If it is south lancs then my money will be on Bibby - or even a generation earlier Savage.
Thinking about it the first of my Smiths in the area is my gt-grandad Thomas, and he arrived in early 1900s so hopefully he ISNT a smith!

Gaille
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Manchester – Bate(s) / Bebbington / Coppock or Coppart / Evans / Mitchell / Prince / Smith

Cheshire Latchford – Bibby / Savage / Smith.
Cheshire Macclesfield,  Bollington & Rainow – Childs / Flint / Mc'rea
Cheshire Crewe – Bate(s) / Bebbington
Shropshire Wellington, Wobwell – Smith
Walsall Midds – Smith

Also looking for:
Mc'Rea/McCrea – Ireland to Cheshire

And
any relatives of Margaret Bibby married to Thomas Smith all over country
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Re: Any ideas of date / Regiment (2) ?
« Reply #14 on: Monday 29 June 09 15:14 UTC (UK) »
I wouldn't have thought so the uniform looks like the 1880's standard issue kahki drill one to me, definately looks like the same chap in each photo.

David
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