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Cymru42
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Hi
Looking for anyone else who has been researching the Semmens family of miners, who moved to the Rhondda in Wales in the late 1800s.
Jacqui
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krisesjoint
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Hi Jacqui,
A Big Welcome to RootsChat. 
Hope you find some connections. I see you have found the Surname Interests Table and entered your interest so that is good.
If there is anything we can help you with just ask. Do you know where in Cornwall your family were from?
All the Best.............Kris 
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Cymru42
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Thanks for responding so quickly!
I have James and his wife, Caroline (nee Guy) born in either St Hilary or Perranuthnoe, Cornwall.
The frustrating part is that no matter which generation I am researching or if they are in England or Wales, everyone has the same name!!
Jacqui
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krisesjoint
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Hi Jacqui,
Is this the couple who moved to Wales? (James and Caroline) I have just been taking a look at 1891 and 1901 in Wales and I see a James Thomas b about 1862 Perranuthnoe and his wife Jane in Neath Glamorgan. Not spotting a James and Caroline.
Trouble with a name like this is it can have so many variants Simmons even Symons/Symonds. Also see a James 1850 St Just and wife Elizabeth in Llantrisant.
Kris
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Cymru42
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Kris
I know it's definitley Semmens. My great grandfather (David Emmanuel) was born in Pontypridd in 1892 - moved to Australia in 1949. His father is William Thomas Semmens, possibly born in Penzance in 1857. He married Mary Hannah Hodges - somewhere.
William Thomas Semmens' father was James Semmens, son of Thomas Semmens and Martha Roberts. I think william moved to Wales, possible beofre he married Mary Hannah. (I know these names are correct, as William Thomas and Mary Hannah are also the names of David Emmanuel's eldest two children.) 
Cheers.....Jacqui
I am trying to determine actual places of birth and the correct siblings! In the 1861 census, it appears that there is a Simmons family living next door, with parents James and Jane Simmons. Phew!
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regross
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Hello,
I think we might be connected
M grandmothr's older sister married a Semmens in Wales and migrated to Australia.
She was Lily Maude Davies a born Rhonda Wales 1892 died 1982 Australia.nd she married David Emmanuel Semmens.
My grandother was Verinder (Vereinda on 1901 census) Davies b 1894.
They weere the children of James Davies and Sarah Chilcott.
regards
Robyn in Australia
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Abbott, Barnard, Clarke, Inward, Lanfear, Rutter,Spencer: Middlesex;
Greenaway:Cornwall;
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett, Hampshire;
Gullett: Devon:
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon, Scotland;
Arnold, Morton: Ireland;
Davies:Wales;
Olcorn:Cumberland;
Osborne: Staffordshire;
Harrington: Kent
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deb usa
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Hi
In 1881 :
Llantrisant, Glamorgan, Wales
20 Britania Rd
William QUARTLEY head mar 48 coke brewer b E?ford,Somerset
CAROLINE wife 48 b perr??
William H son coal miner 19 b Plymouth
Samuel 16 coal miner b ditto
Albert J son 13 b ditto
WILLIAM THS. SEMMENS 24,son-in-law , coal miner b St Heller, Cornwall
Jane Browning visitor mar 77 b ?? Devon
(s-i-l is sometimes used instead of step son)
marriage:
Caroline SEMMENS = William QUARTLEY
Dec q 1871
Pontypridd , Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
11a 537
1871
Llantrisant, Glamorgan
Caroline Symonds head wid tailoress b Pearran??
James son 22 collier b St Just ... in 1851 he is with James, Caroline and 2 month old Mary Jane in St Just, Lafronda...transcribed as Semmons. 1861 he is grandson.
Martha 16 b marazion
THOMAS 14 collier b ditto
George 13 collier b Ditto
Still looking for Thomas' marriage
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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In 1891, Llantrisant, Glamorgan, Caroline Quartley is widowed, 58, green grocer b Perran, Cornwall. Her step son Samuel is ith her...next door is Albert Quartley with his family.
1891
Llanwonno, Glamorgan
North Rd
William Thomas Semmons (33, b Cornwall) ...transcribed as LEMMERS is living with Mary Anna (wife, 26) and children:
Mary E (6), William H (3) and Sarah A (1).
still can't find marriage 
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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I wonder if this could be their marriage ... and they are both using their middle names ?
Thomas Simmons and on same page Hannah Hodges
Sept q 1882
Pontypridd Glamorgan
11a 514
Caroline's death:
Caroline Quartley
bc 1829 , 67 years
Dec q 1896
Pontypridd , Glamorgan
11a 311
James' death:
James Semmens
bc 1825 age 42
June q 1867
Penzance Cornwall
5c 205a
also This one ... Nicholas S Semmens bc 1861 , brother of William Thomas (1857), s/o James and Caroline.
death
Nicholas Scholar Semmens
dec q 1862
Penzance Cornwall
5c 22
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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Hi Jacqui
Thanks for your message ....
1841:
PerranUthnoe
Thomas Semmons 60 farmer
Martha 35
JAMES 15............ marries Caroline ... f/o illiam Thomas b 1857
Phillip 13
William 11
George 8
Martha 6
Ann 4
Nicholas 2
Edward 5months
1851
Perran Downs
Thomas Semmens 69 cop miner b Ludgvan
Martha ife 46 b St Hilary
Martha 16 b Parran Uthnoe
Ann 14 b ditto
Nicholas 11 b ditto
Peter 6 b ditto
Edmund 4 b ditto
Christian dau 2 b ditto
also in 1851 James and Caroline in St Just with James 2, Mary Jane 2months.
from IGI:
children born to Thomas and Martha
James Semmons chr; : 5 MAR 1826 Saint Hilary
Ann Semmens chr 05 MAR 1837 Perranuthnoe
Nicholas Roberts Semmens; chr 10 FEB 1839 Perranuthnoe
Peter Semmens chr 18 JUN 1843 Perranuthnoe
Peter Semmens chr 06 APR 1845 Perranuthnoe
Edmond Semmens chr 30 JAN 1841 Perranuthnoe
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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hi again
I cannot find Thomas' marriage to Martha Roberts
This could be Thomas bc 1782 christening ...In 1851 he states he was born Ludgvan circa 1782
IGI
Thomas Semmens s/o Thomas Semmens and Ann
27 APR 1782 Ludgvan
possible marriage for his parents;
Thomas Semmens = Ann Martyns
3 JAN 1778, Ludgvan
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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this may be an interesting document
Thomas Semmens b 1782 was a farmer in 1841, his father was named William Thomas as well ...I wonder if these people are yours:
[no title] ARD/166/257 1830
Docs held at CRO
Contents:
William SEMMENS of Ludgvan, farmer
Jn. Semmens v. wm. Semmens
searching on IGI William b 1782 ludgvan did have a brother John ... I wonder if they were arguing about their father's farm ?
another doc
Online Document IR 26/341
Will of William Semmens Yeoman Ludgvan, Cornwall . Proved in the Court of Exeter. Date: 1810.
deb
added .... Ooops sorry got the names mixed up .... 
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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hi again
re Mary Hannah Hodges
In 1901 she is bc 1866 Mountain Ash, her father is William Henry Hodges bc 1835 Somersetshire
1881
Llanwonno, Glamorgan
Henry Hodges mar 42 coal miner b Somerset
MARY H dau 16 b Mountain Ash
John son 11 b Pontypridd
Elizabeth 6 b Pontypridd
birth;
Mary Hannah Hodges
dec q 1865
Pontypridd Glamorgan
Vol 11a pg 275
1871
Llanwonno, Glamorgan
Henry Hodges 33 coal miner b Limersdon, Somerset
Mary Ann wife 27 b ditto
Sarah ann 7 b Llanwwonno
Mary H 5 b ditto
Agnes 3 b ditto
John 1 b ditto
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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Hi
I just found this on IGI ...submitted
Mary Hannah Hodges
born 22 SEP 1866 Pontypridd
died 02 JAN 1934
parents;
henry Hodges and Mary Brown
married:
William Thomas Semmens on 22 JUL 1882
which fits with this marriage I found a few posts ago
Thomas Simmons and on same page Hannah Hodges
Sept q 1882
Pontypridd Glamorgan
11a 514
another submitted entry has more details on her;
Mary Hannah Hodges
born 22 SEP 1866 Pentypridd, , Glamorgan, Wales
chr; SEP 1866 Porth, Glamorgan, Wales
died 2 JAN 1934 Porth, Glamorgan, Wales
buried 6 JAN 1934 Treslaw Cem, Porth, Glamorgan, Wales
deb
ps ...ordering the above marriage cert ould hopefully confirm this for you.
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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