Rick
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From the Hertfordshire Inns & Public Houses an historical gazetteer, by Graham Joliffe & Arthur Jones. Published by Hertfordshire Publications. ISBN 0-901354-79-1. This is a reference work dedicated to Hertfordshire hostelries, and records all Herts pubs which were open in 1900 and still open in the 1990's.
There are only 3 pubs listed under Broxbourne.
The Anne of Cleves - Formerly; The White Bear, The Bear, The Dog & Bear - High Road corner of Mill Lane. Earliest known reference 1643
The Bull - High Road - Earliest known Reference 1521
The Kingfisher - Formerly; Railway Inn/Hotel, New Inn - Station Road - Earliest known reference 1862.
However, the index states under Broxbourne to also look at Hoddesden. I'm not familiar with this neck of the woods so I am not sure how relevant this is but there is a Rose and Crown.
Rose & Crown - 90 Amwell Street (corner of Belcher Road) Earliest known reference 1850.
Apparently Hoddesden had several pubs of this name. The first opened in 1704 near the Post Office in the High Street. This closed in 1850 and was succeeded by the one in Amwell Street which was rebuilt in the 1930s.
Not sure if this helps. Rick 
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leofred
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Thank you Nick & Ruskie for replies I will try Hertford Lib. I have rung the Bull and it isnt them they have always been the bull.
Ruskie you may live in Broxbourne but you have put in a lot of work and I appreciate what you both have done.
The ball (ignore the pun) is now in my court and I will post any progress or lack of it here. I am always amazed how helpful everyone is at Rootschat and I know if you guys cant come up with an answer then without a crystal ball(there I go again) then no one can.
Many many thanks to you both.
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leofred
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Hi Rick thanks for your reply. When I rang the Bull today they told me there was a Rose & Crown at Hodddesden and I assumed that was a different village. As Ruskie is familiar with the area maybe he could throw some light on this.
Thanks once again
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Ruskie
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leofred,
I must have given you the wrong impression - I live in Australia and have never been to Broxbourne.  (PS and I'm a "she" )
I did find this book:
Broxbourne and Wormley’s Past in Pictures
(Hardcover) by David Dent (Author)
Hardcover: 160 pages
Publisher: Rockingham Press (Oct 1995)
Language English
ISBN-10: 1873468385
ISBN-13: 978-1873468388
Product Dimensions: 25.2 x 18.6 x 1.6 cm
Price: £14.95
You may be able to get it from your local library. 
Broxbourne and Hoddesdon were separate villages, but there may have been a Rose and Crown in both, or perhaps the Hoddesdon pub was built later.
The Broxbourne Rose and Crown was in the High Road Broxbourne, between Station Road and Bull Lane, not in Hoddesdon. Many of these small villages merge together these days which can be confusing, but it wouldn't have been so in the 1870's.
You can see on this map that they are two distinct villages:
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/IndexMapPage2.aspx
Google maps gives a distance of 1.5miles between the two.
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leofred
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Hi Ruskie firstly let me apoligise for the gender mix up and the assumption you lived in Broxbourne In my defence I probably had too many pimms so no more for me for a day or so.
I have had a reply form HERTSFHS who were most helpful theysuggested that the Rose & Crown Hoddesden may be the pub Im looking for. I Have their number and will ring tomorrow . Im not convinced I looked them up and it looks a lovely pub. They also gave me the number of Hertford library and if I get time I will ring them.
Thank you so much Ruskie for all your help I do appreciate it any news and I will post it and If I get n o joy I will post so this can be closed.
kind regards
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Ruskie
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No apologies necessary leofred.
I'd put money on the fact that the Hoddesden Rose and Crown is the wrong one. Your Rose and Crown was definintely in Broxbourne! Still, there's no harm in ringing them to check. :)The more people you ask, the more chance you have of someone knowing the answer.
I think a local history group may know more than a big general county library, but again, there's no harm in asking.
Looking at google maps it's difficult to see what kind of houses line that part of High Road today. To me, they look like large newer homes on the left side of the road, but on the right they look older especially the closer you get to Station Road. A pub could easily have been converted into a house and it's origins may be unrecognizable today - or it may have demolished and replaced with a different building ... 
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Ruskie
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I've just had a look at Microsoft Maps (or Bing Maps) and if you select birds eye view, you can get a decent look at the houses along the part of High Road where The Rose and Crown used to be.
There are a number of possible buildings especially on the right side of the road which could have once been a pub. There look to be a combination of newer buildings (from the 30's,
60's and 80's), plus older buildings along that stretch of road. For example, note the L shaped house with the orangey red roof near the roundabout at the corner of Bell Lane and High Road - it looks like it may have older origins and may once have been a pub. Though i do believe the Rose and Crown was further north.
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leofred
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thank you for that Gembar but Im sorry to be so thick but how do I access it.
Thanks to everyone for your continued interest.
Kind regards
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Ruskie
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Unfortunately Stanstead Abbots is even further away from Broxbourne (3 miles), and so nowhere near the High Road Brobxourne.
Shame ....
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leofred
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Thanks for that Ruskie thats saved me some time Im having to put this on the back burner for now as Ive had a bad day and I have to concentrate on other issues.
I really appreciate your help and kindness.
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Ruskie
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Hope things start to look up for you soon leofred.
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benzon
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Hi there
Dont know whether you are still chasing this one. You should bear in mind that the High Road in Broxbourne use to be the old A10, one of the main roads out of London and this area is known for it's many watering holes which years ago, of course, had stabling facilities.
I am local to the area and Ruskie is right that looking north from Bell Lane, the majority of housing on the left had side is modern 1960s style. On the opposite side of the road there is a mix, some old, a couple large enough to have been public house and some 1930s. Mind, this area has changed drastically over the years. Hoddesdon, Broxbourne and Wormley now merge together.
There is a public house along the river at Broxbourne called The Crown (Old Nazeing Road). It is just feasible I expect that the enumerator left the High Road just south of Bell Lane, walked down the New River, passed down by the church towards the public house. Difficult to tell now what the Old Nazing Road might have looked like when it was obviously the access road from Broxbourne to Nazeing.
You should also perhaps bear in mind that not all public houses were the same. There were public houses and beer houses. In the early days some of the latter were really only the front parlour of someone's house and the publican may also have been the local butcher, carpenter or whatever.
Not sure whether you needed a licence to run a beer house but I am sure there must be some records at HALS as I am certain you had to be authorised to "sell intoxicating liquer" even then.
Really also worth looking at the maps they have there. I have a photocopy of part of a local village map from 1878 and the name of the public house is certainly marked. Whether this would be the case in a more urbanised area, I dont know.
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LAWRENCE - Gt Hormead, HUTCHIN - Albury, CARTER/CARTER CLAY - St Albans/Stanstead Abbotts, BURTON - Hoddesdon, WARD - Hunsdon, BEARD - Ware, LEE - Cripplegate/Glemsford
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leofred
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Hi Benzon,
Thank you for your reply and your time and input.
I think now ive wasted enough time of everybody who has been kind enough to contribute, it looks very unlikely that I am going to be able to find a photo of this pub. Maybe as more sites come on line someone somewhere will have a photo .
I will repost in the future in the hope that someone can provide this.
I would just like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who has replied, this is very much appreciated .
Rootschat members are so amazing and I am proud to be a member of this outstanding group.
Many thanks
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