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moley66
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simmonds ewhurst
« on: Saturday 13 June 09 15:28 UTC (UK) »

i am lookin for any info on john william simmonds b,1868 in ewhurst surrey, alli no is where he was born, and that he married minnie annie lawrence in hanwell middlesex, 1897, and that they lived in medway rd gillingham kent in 1901
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Re: simmonds ewhurst
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 13 June 09 15:44 UTC (UK) »

Hi moley66

The marriage cert would give you his father's name and occupation

Sep 1897  Medway    2a   1105
SIMMONDS  John Willliam       LAWRENCE  Minnie Annie   


Struggling to find him in earlier census without knowing parents' names

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Re: simmonds ewhurst
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 13 June 09 16:22 UTC (UK) »

thanks for that ive been lookin but cant find anything i think they might av got married in gillingham,but im really lookin for is any siblings and parents for him,
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Re: simmonds ewhurst
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 13 June 09 16:59 UTC (UK) »

Hi
You could try searching Cityark for the marriage, they have a couple of the Gillingham Parish marriages for this period.
 
http://cityark.medway.gov.uk/query/results/?Mode=Search&PathList=%2FZ4a_Medway_Ancestors%2F%0A&SearchWords=&DateList=

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Re: simmonds ewhurst
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 13 June 09 17:21 UTC (UK) »

thanks for that ive been lookin but cant find anything i think they might av got married in gillingham,but im really lookin for is any siblings and parents for him,

he married minnie annie lawrence in hanwell middlesex, 1897, and that they lived in medway rd gillingham kent in 1901

You did say you thought they married in Hanwell, Middlesex, but there was no marriage there for those names , so I think the Medway one will be correct.

The 1881 census has a John 13, James 11, and Louisa Simmonds 9, children in the Central London School, Hanwell, they are described as Scholars, Inmates supported by Poor Rates  - wondering if they were orphans, you can see the census free here:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/06hf/
but not convinced, they are with parents in 1871 and all born Southwark St. George, so not Ewhurst

Still trying to find JW in 1891
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Re: simmonds ewhurst
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 14 June 09 15:46 UTC (UK) »

i thhink u could b right icant find him anywhere so it looks like they where orphans but not sure where to look for any of them,even been on 1911 census nojoy
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Re: simmonds ewhurst
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 14 June 09 16:08 UTC (UK) »

I think your best bet would be to get the marriage certificate, then you would know his father's name and occupation, to help find him in earlier census

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Re: simmonds ewhurst
« Reply #7 on: Monday 22 June 09 13:14 UTC (UK) »

john father was also john simmonds he is on the marriage cert but no mother he was a labourer in dockyard,
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Re: simmonds ewhurst
« Reply #8 on: Monday 22 June 09 14:57 UTC (UK) »

not many dockyards near Ewhurst - I wonder if that PoB is a complete red herring ?

you can search the 1881 census by Occupation - there are a couple of Johns who are Dockyard Labourers, but none with a son born c1868 ....  Sad

I suspect that his Father's name is fabricated for delicate reasons, and that he may be on the 1871 etc census under a stepfathers name - and reverted to Simmonds on Marriage.
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« Reply #9 on: Monday 22 June 09 15:25 UTC (UK) »

Hi

I presume you now have the marriage certificate, was it the Medway (Gillingham) one?  Who were the witnesses. Mothers are not normally named on English marriage certificates.

If it was the Medway marriage perhaps his father had a change of occupation and was also living on the Kentish coast.

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Re: simmonds ewhurst
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 14:53 UTC (UK) »

the witnesses were, mrs smith and isabella banks,john simmonds,and stePhen lawrence,were named as the fathers,
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Re: simmonds ewhurst
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 16:53 UTC (UK) »

the witnesses were, mrs smith and isabella banks

Thanks Moley   

Not much help then  Huh  Back to the drawing board

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Re: simmonds ewhurst
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 24 June 09 08:20 UTC (UK) »

The 1911 census index shows Minnie Annie in Medway Kent district with children
John Edward born circa 1898
William Robinson born circa 1899
Cyril Henry born circa 1902
Alfred Leonard born circa 1907
Frederick Charles born circa 1910

The actual census page would tell you Minnie Annie's status and whether she was a widow, or if not, John was away from home.

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Re: simmonds ewhurst maybe southwark
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 24 June 09 18:02 UTC (UK) »

ive been lookin at southwark but its hard to find out very much,,, Huh
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Re: simmonds ewhurst
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 25 June 09 16:58 UTC (UK) »

hi valda ive benn lookin in southwark for them as thats where they were in the childrens home but avin bit trouble findin anything  Undecided
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