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Topic: Burials Barrhead prior 1930 (Read 989 times)
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calan477
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Hi Murphyz
Youre a star. That headstone in Neilston Cemetery matches with information I have about John McDermott and Jane Dundas - though was unaware of their son Bernard McDermott. Would there be any way I could get an extract of the death/birth certificates for them and where would I start looking for information about the son Bernard? Sorry not sure how to go about all of this but I am so grateful for the information you have provided. Thanks a lot.
Hmm not sure about the headstone for Thomas McDermott though nothing rings a bell there but I will keep looking as one of my cousins in Spain has other information so I can see what she has. Also the marriage of Thomas McDermott to a Patricia Stevenson in 1962 was my mum and dad but I dont have any certificate or anything for them and they have both passed away. Could I get an extract of this then from somewhere as you say its not available online? I dont even know where they got married. Although Patricia Stevenson still has living relatives in Barrhead (bottom end) I think from recollection but they dont keep in touch or anything.
It is really good of you to help me in this way. As I stay in Australia I dont get over to UK much and as I dont have any siblings its harder to get any information. Thanks again, youve been great.
Tha
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Murphyz
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re Riddell - yip no problem I will go up at the weekend, although if I recall correctly, there are parts of the Riddell stone which are unreadable, but hopefully it will be sunny and I will take some photos.
re the McDermott stone in Neilston cemetery, I have a complete note at home of what's on the stone, so I will get those details for you.
Cheers
Z
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Murphyz
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The McDermott gravestone in Neilston cemetery says the following:-
Erected
By
John McDermott
in memory of his wife
Jane Dundas
who died 5th April 1892 aged 55 years
His daughter Jane McDermott
who died 16th August 1891, aged 19 years
Bernard McDermott
Son of Above
Died 26th January 1926, aged 57 years
Daniel Fagan
Beloved husband of
Mary McDermott
died 3rd June 1926 aged 59 years
The Above Mary McDermott
Died 26th January 1928 aged 68 years
Mary Gallagher
wife of Bernard McDermott
died 2nd Jan 1935
The above John McDermott
died 1st (?) Jan 1896 aged 59 years
Annie Fagan
died 27th Nov 1945 aged 41 years
When I get a chance I will go for a wander around Neilston cemetery to see if there are any other McDermott stones. With regards to other searches, hopefully a kind person on this site will be able to point you in the right direction - I just happen to live Barrhead and am happy to go and wander about!
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seekthem
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Hi Carol,
I would have thought you would be able to order a copy of your parents marriage certificate from the GROS in Edinburgh. If you go onto the Scotlands People website you could probably order a copy through SP. It is too recent to view the marriage on line but think you should be able to order a copy. Check your own birth cert and see if your parents marriage is recorded on that.
Cheers
Liz
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Murphyz
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I will need to go back up to Neilston to double check the bottom inscription. I have been on Scotlands People, and they have 58 years on John McDermott's death certificate on 5th (not 1st as I thought) January 1896.
From SP -
John McDermott, lime work labourer, widower of Jane Dundas died 5th January 1896 aged 58 years at 55 Craighead Street, Barrhead. Parents listed as Bernard McDermott, turnpike surfaceman (deceased) and Annie McDermott, nee McKee (deceased). Death informed by Bernard McDermott.
The original photo I took of the stone is too large a file to load, but I could send you if you wish, as it would allow you to enhance the image.
Regards
Z
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calan477
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HI Murphyz
Thank you so much for that. It is looking as if it is line with what information I have. I would very very grateful if you could upload the photo to me. It would mean a great deal. Also when you are up in Neilston can you have a look for a Thomas McDermott married to a Helen or Helena Murphy as these are my grandparents. Helena Murphy died when I was about four so approximately 1967/68. They both had five kids, Thomas jnr (my dad), Joe (who has changed his last name to McDiarmid). Jim, Robert and Dennis but really thats all the info I have. I have no other information for Helena Murphy though I vaguely remember her getting in tow with a Hugh Mitchell but that might have just been hearsay.
I cant thank you enough. Take care. Carol
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Carol and MurphyZ
Looks like you are making lots of headway here with MurphyZ's help 
If you want to research back on Helena's line, you could have a look at her marriage certificate which will include full details on her parents. With that you can work back to their marriage and try and and flesh out the family. Hopefully, they will be Scottish births/marriage (rather than Irish) and you should be able to find details on Scotlands People.
The marriage for Helena and Thomas shows as: Helena Murphy and Thomas McDerm*t (I used a wildcard for the spelling) in 1930 in Neilston, Renfrewshire. This marriage is within the timescales to view on line at SP.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Murphyz
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Re the stones which were in the old st john's churchyard - I have been to Barrhead library and they believe any graves which would have been disturbed by the building of the Columba Club were re-interrred, as it was sacred ground. Old photos of the original church show graves in what would now be the car park.
The library thinks the graves affected were re-interred to St Convals,Barrhead. If some one knows this isn't right, let me know and I will try and go through old copies of the Barrhead News to see if it was mentioned when the church burnt down.
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weeboab
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I am interested in the McDermott grave at Neilson Cemetary. I believe John McDermott and Sarah-Jane Dundas are my great-grandparents.
I have information on their marriage and their roots in Ireland.
The main information I have for their wedding is as follows:
Wedding in St. John's Chapel in Barrhead on 8/6/1855 of
John Dermod of Printer's Row Barrhead. Age 26, Labourer. Born 1829 in the Townland of Brollagh, County Fermanah, Ireland. Parents Bernard Dermod, Labourer and Leonora Farry, Housekeeper.
And
Jane Dundas of Printer's Row Barrhead. Age 20. Born 1835 in the Townland of Derry Gonnell, County Fermanah, Ireland. Parents James Dundas, Deceased, Labourer and Jane Dundas MS Mooney, Housekeeper.
Signed John Sheedy R.C. Clergyman.
Witnesses Peter Currie and Elizabeth Dundas.
The Bride and Groom were both illiterate so they signed their certificate with crosses, as did the witnesses.
The name "Dermod" in the marriage lines is obviously a mistake, but later census returns refer to the couple as "McDermott".
I was familiar with the McDermott/Dundas grave in the old St. John's graveyard but the dates did not correspond with the information I have from census returns and death certificates.
If the grave in Nielson Churchyard proves to be their grave, then I wonder who is buried in the graveyard at the old St. John's Chapel? There are no written records of the burials in this yard. I have tried various sources but I have been assured that no records remain.
I only found out about the Nielson grave yesterday, so this has been very exciting news for me! I hope my information is useful to the forum.
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Murphyz
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I have been on Scotlands People and the Sarah Jane McDermott who died 2nd June 1902 was the widow of John McDermott, Iron Moulder. SP has her death as 66 years old, but I am sure the stone said 69 (?).
Anyhow the death was at the Victoria Infirmary and recorded in Cathcart district. Usual address given as 66 Paisley Road, West Govan. Parents listed as William Parker and Grace Caldwell, both deceased. Death informed by Janet Brandon, 99 King Street, Tradeston. Obviously all of these addresses are outwith the area of St John's, Barrhead.
I have not seen any more McDermott graves as yet in Neilston - but the weather is miserable, so it may be a while before I am have another looks.
Hope this helps.
Murphyz
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weeboab
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Thanks Murphyz for that great information!
My gt.grandmother died at Russells land craigheads Barrhead april 5th 1892 i think gt.Grandfather died at the same address.He was a limestone worker.I know through the family that they stayed at thi address.So back to the records for me.
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Murphyz
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Hiya
Sorry if I am not following this well - but the McDermott stone which is in Neilston - is that the one you are looking for?
From Scotlands People - John McDermott, limework labourer, widower of Jane Dundas died 5th Jan 1896 at 55 Craighead Street Barrhead, but his parents are listed as Bernard McDermott and Annie McKee. Death notified by son Bernard McDermott. I haven't accessed the Jane Dundas McDermott death on SP but the dates you mention are the same as on the Neilston stone.
Regards
Murphyz
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weeboab
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The grave in Neilston is the grave of my Gt.Grandparents,thank you for finding it for me.I was there on Thursday,thank's for showing the photograph,I would never have found it without having an idea what it looked like,and the position of the wall,and the tree.I tried to take a photo.but the batteries in the camera had run out.No matter I will go back.The grave in Barrhead,I started to research it years ago,and of course the dates I had did not correspond with the dates ,and names I had.Now I have the true resting place of my family.Thank you again for posting on the forum.My wife and I go to Ireland every year,we go to Fermanagh,the local historian showed us the cottage my Gt.grandfather was born in 1829,but the records there are none existant.I will keep up with the forum.I have an e-mail to send regarding this topic,I will get in touch. weeboab
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