irene_kipyahoo.co
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Does anyone know how I could find records of Catholic burials in Barrhead prior to the opening of St Conval's cemetery in 1933.
I realise they may be in the old St John's Church Graveyard but how could I find out?
Irene
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Murphyz
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I have checked with Barrhead Library and there are no Catholic records for the old St John's Burial ground held at the library. The library advised the original records held by St John's Church from the period 1841 to 1941 were destroyed in the fire which destroyed the original church.
The national catholic archives at Edinburgh seems to have the parish register for St John's http://www.scottishcatholicarchives.org.uk/Family%20History/Parish%20Registers/tabid/82/Default.aspx
Reference MP/73 - I am not sure, however, whether they would be in Edinburgh or Glasgow as the Diocese of Glasgow holds its own records and Barrhead has been listed under the Glasgow diocese on the link.
There are very few readable grave stones in the old St John's graveyard - the names which are readable are Queen/Lochrie, Small, Lynch, McGinnis, Foyer/Campbell, Watters, McDermott.
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Murphyz
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irene_kipyahoo.co
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Thank you
Been away - appreciate your info.
What happened to 'hallowed' ground when Columba Club was built on grounds? Shocking I think.
Irene
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Murphyz
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Irene
I am not sure how many graves would have been moved when the Columba Club was built - perhaps some one at St Conval's would know. There are still a few (very few) readable stones in the old church grounds, next to the Columba Club car park - but the grounds are not well maintained.
When they moved the gravestones from the Old White Wash Kirk (now the Sports Centre car park), they were supposed to be interred in Neilston cemetery, but to be honest, I have struggled to find any of those stones in Neilston.
If you wish a note of the readable stones in the Old St Johns, I can go up and note the names and dates for you.
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irene_kipyahoo.co
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Thanks for info and offer to get names from Headstones.
I live in Barrhead so will take a wee trip up myself.
I hate the thought of such sacred ground next to a pub!
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Irene
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Murphyz
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The Riddell gravestone is still standing in the Old St John's Churchyard, although it is very worn in places, making parts near impossible to read.
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calan477
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Hi there
I read with great interest that the name McDermott is one of the readable gravestones. I am sure that this may be my ancestor i.e. grt grandad. I live in Australia and dont have any other siblings etc. Do you think I would be able to get a photo or something of the gravestone itself if I contact the Church itself - I have been looking for ages but dont seem to be getting anywhere and when I saw your post I got so excited. Any further help you could give me would be greatly appreciated as both my mum and dad are now deceased too so I feel as if I am hitting my head against a brick wall. Thanks for your help. Much appreciated. Carol
I have checked with Barrhead Library and there are no Catholic records for the old St John's Burial ground held at the library. The library advised the original records held by St John's Church from the period 1841 to 1941 were destroyed in the fire which destroyed the original church. The national catholic archives at Edinburgh seems to have the parish register for St John's http://www.scottishcatholicarchives.org.uk/Family%20History/Parish%20Registers/tabid/82/Default.aspxReference MP/73 - I am not sure, however, whether they would be in Edinburgh or Glasgow as the Diocese of Glasgow holds its own records and Barrhead has been listed under the Glasgow diocese on the link. There are very few readable grave stones in the old St John's graveyard - the names which are readable are Queen/Lochrie, Small, Lynch, McGinnis, Foyer/Campbell, Watters, McDermott. Regards Murphyz |
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calan477
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Hi there
I read with great interest that the name McDermott is one of the readable gravestones. I am sure that this may be my ancestor i.e. grt grandad. I live in Australia and dont have any other siblings etc. Do you think I would be able to get a photo or something of the gravestone itself if I contact the Church itself - I have been looking for ages but dont seem to be getting anywhere and when I saw your post I got so excited. Any further help you could give me would be greatly appreciated as both my mum and dad are now deceased too so I feel as if I am hitting my head against a brick wall. Thanks for your help. Much appreciated. Carol
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Murphyz
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I will go up to the old graveyard over the weekend and take a photo - when I get back home, I will also check if I have noted down what's on the gravestone - at least then you will know whether it is one of yours or not.
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Murphyz
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calan477
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I am sooooo grateful for you doing that. Thank you so much. I really do appreciate it. I am keeping my fingers and toes crossed that it is an ancestor as I need all the help I can get.
Thank you once again.
Carol x
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MonicaLesl
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That's great news Carol and very kind of you MuphyZ 
I'm keeping my fingers crossed too that there is something there on your McDermotts.
Monica
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Murphyz
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Hi there - I have some scribbled notes from the old st John's churchyard but I don't think the readable McDermott stone is the one you are looking for. I will still go up at the weekend and have another look, but this is the information on the stone:-
In
Memory of
John McDermott
who died 19th Dec 1901
Aged 70 years
His beloved wife
Sarah Jane
who died 2nd June 1902
Aged 69 years
Also their daughter
Sarah
who died 24th June 1864
aged 9 years
Their daughter-in-law
Teresa
who died 21st Oct 1892
Aged 20 years
Their granddaughter
Sarah
who died 19th May 1893
Aged 7 months
John James McDermott
who died 31st July 190?
Aged 39 years
I am in Barrhead, so if you have any information I can check out the library or have a wander around Neilston cemetery.
On Scotlands People there is a death in Barrhead of a Thomas McDermott aged 56 in 1914 and another Thomas aged 0 in 1902. Do either of these tie in with the information you have? The only marriage I can see on SP of of Thomas McDermott to Patricia Stevenson is in Paisley in 1962, which is not available on line .
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Z
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Murphyz
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Sorry me again - just in case it is part of the wider family - there is at least one McDermott headstone in Neilston cemetery for a John McDermott, married to a Jane Dundas, their daughter Jane McDermott and their son Bernard McDermott.
Jane Dundas date of death 5th April 1892 aged 55 years. John died 1st Jan 1896 aged 69 years.
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Z
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