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AMBLY
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Hi Brosie
For Reference:
1841: Charlotte St, Stranraer, Wigtown
Parish 899, ED 4, pg 28
John ROBERTSON 50, Merchant Sp Deal - N
Mary ROBERTSON 40 - Y
Agnes ROBERTSON 12 - Y
John ROBERTSON 10 - Y
William ROBERTSON 8 - Y
Robert ROBERTSON 4 - Y (IGI extracted chr. record parents: John ROBERTSON & Mary CARNOCHAN)
Jane CARNOCHAN 30 - Y
Agnes CARNOCHAN 25 - Y
Mary BARCLAY 15, FS - Y
1851: Charlotte St, Stranraer, Wigtown
Parish 899, ED 3, pg 43
Head: John ROBERTSON 60, Grocer & Spirit Dealer b Kirkolm, Wigton
Wife: Mary ROBERTSON 52, Grocer's wife, b Leswalt, Wigton
Dau: Agnes ROBERTSON 24, Grocers Dau, b Leswalt, Wigton
Son: John ROBERTSON 22, Grocers Son, b Leswalt, Wigton
Son: William ROBERTSON 20, Grocers Son, b Leswalt, Wigton
Son: Robert ROBERTSON 14, Grocers Son, b Leswalt, Wigton
Sister-In-Law: Jane CARNATHAN 45, Annuitant, b Leswalt, Wigton
Sister-In-Law: Agnes CARNATHAN 42, Annuitant, b Leswalt, Wigton
Servant: Grace CHALMERS 20, House Servant, b Leswalt, Wigton
1861: 10 Charlotte St, Stranraer, Wigtown
Parish 899, ED
Head: John ROBERTSON 71, Merchant, b Kirkolm??, Wigtownsh.
Wife: Mary ROBERTSON 63, b Stranraer, Wigtownsh,
Son: Robert ROBERTSON 23. Grocer, b Stranraer, Wigtownsh,
Lodger: Jane CARNACHAN 55, b Stranraer, Wigtownsh
Sister: Agnes CARNACHAN 53, Stranraer, Wigtownsh
John ROBERTSON, the Grocer, Spirit Dealer, Merchant - he died between 1861 and 1863 - his Will (or Admon, Inventory) is recorded in the Wills Section of Scotlands People.
What was the occupation given for the father of your John ROBERTSON who died 1897?
Cheers
AMBLY
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AMBLY
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This is clearly the son John of John ROBERTSON and Mary CARNOCHAN in 1861:
1861: High Auchneel Farm House, Leswalt, Wigtownshire
Head: John ROBERTSON 31, Farmer of 220 Acres, b Stranraer, Wigtown
Sister: Agnes ROBERTSON 33, b Stranraer, Wigtown
Brother: William ROBERTSON 29, Watchmaker, b Stranraer, Wigtown
Cousin: James CARNOCHAN 13, Scholar, b Stranraer, Wigtown
Plus 3 Servants (a Dairymaid, a House Servant and a Molecatcher)
Can't find brother John - but his siblings and the 2 maiden Aunts are here:
1871: Sea Bank House Sheuchan St, Leswalt, Wigtownshire
Head: Robert ROBERTSON 34, Farmer 16 Acres (arable), b Stranraer, Wigtown
Brother: William ROBERTSON 40, Watchmaker, b Stranraer, Wigtown
Sister: Agnes ROBERTSON 44, b Stranraer, Wigtown
Aunt: Jane CARNOCHAN 64, b Stranraer, Wigtown
Aunt: Agnes CARNOCHAN 61, b Stranraer, Wigtown
Lodger: Alexander ROBERTSON 30, Ironmonger b Kirkolm, Wigtown
On the other hand:
Issue (births) to John ROBERTON and Margaret GALT
Jacobina Ferguson ROBERTSON b 1855 Nielston Renfrew (mms GAULT)
John ROBERTSON 1858 Irvine
Mary ROBERTSON 1860 Irvine
Margaret ROBERTSON 1864 Irvine
Jane ROBERTSON 1866 Irvine
John ROBERTSON 1868 Irvine
(Female) ROBERTSON 1871 Kilwinning Ayr
James ROBERTSON 1872 Kilwinning Ayr
(Male) ROBERTSON 1874 Kilwinning Ayr
Is this the marriage of your John:
Marriage John ROBERTSON and Margaret GALT - both of these are on Scotlands People too - perhaps one is banns and a year later the actual marriage? Or something?
1) 11 Jan 1851 St Quivox Ayr
2) 11 Jan 1852 St Quivox Ayr
1861:Kirkgate, Irvine, Ayrshire
Head: Margaret ROBERTSON 26, Muslin Sewer, b Irvine Ayrshire
Son: Alexander 8, b Ayrshire
Dau: Jabina? 5, b Milston Renfrewshire
Dau: Mary 3 mths, b Irvine
1871: 13 Brick Row, Kilwinning, Ayrshire
Head: John ROBERTSON 37, b Stranraer??, Wigtonshire
Wife: Margaret 37, b Irvine Ayrshire
Son: Alex'r 18, Collier, b Irvine Ayrshire
Dau: Mary 10, b Irvine Ayrshire
Dau: Janet 5, b Irvine Ayrshire
Son: John 2, b Irvine Ayrshire
1881: Byers Road, Kilwinning Ayrshire
Head: John ROBERTSON 46, Coal Miner, b Stranraer, Ayrshire
Wife: Margaret 47, b Irvine Ayrshire
Dau: Jeanie 14, b Irvine Ayrshire
Son: John Jnr. 12, b irvine Ayrshire
Dau: Dau: Agnes 3, b Kilwinning Ayrshire
1891: 26 High Street, Irvine Ayrshire
John ROBERTSON 63, Coal Miner, b Stranraer Wigton
Wife: Marg't 58, b Irvine Ayrshire
Your John is missing in 1861:
Maybe he was below ground at the Coal Pit?
Or is he the Farmer at the farm in Leswalt?
Have you checked the actual Census for John at Leswalt in 1861 - to acertain his marital Status?
The farmer at Leswalt in 1861, is missing in 1871:
Did he die? Or is he your John the Collier in Ayrshire?
Have you the confirmed marriage date for John to Margaret GALT - ie: before or after the 1851 Census.?
Do you know the birth details for Alexander ROBERTSON the son age 8.
Have you obtained the birth cert of dau: Jacobina which was an 1855 cert - if it is necc. to confirm the marriage of the parents.
Sorry for all the questions 
Cheers
AMBLY
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AMBLY
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Hmnmm, I don't think your John is the son of John ROBERTSON the Merchant and Mary CARNOCHAN??
Recalling the temptation to believe your John, being absent in 1861 Census from Irvine in Ayr - might be the Farmer of 200+ acres in Leswalt 1861
I think I've now found the Leswalt farmer in 1871 - and if I'm right, this surely cannot be your John who is in Ayrshire in 1871 with his wife & family.
MARRIAGE (IGI Extracted): 4 Nov 1862 Kirkolm
John ROBERTSON and Mary ROBERTSON
Need to check the actual Census for this one - must have bad writing and need to clarify especially the name of the Farm and the address:
1871 Census: Furmaone M Mel??, Leswalt, Wigtownshire
Head: John ROBERTSON 42, Farmer of 260 ....?. b Stranraer?? Wigtownshire
Wife: Mary ROBERTSON 34, b Kirkolm? Wigtownshire
Dau: Janet 7, b Leswalt??, Wigtownshire
Sister-In-Law: Jane ROBERTSON 32, b Kirkolm??
Plus 4 servants
BIRTH: (IGI Extracted)
Janet ROBERTSON b 23 Oct 1863, Leswalt Wigtownshire
parents: John ROBERTSON and Mary ROBERTSON
You will recall, in 1871 in the household of Robert ROBERTSON et al, the children of John ROBERTSON the Merchant and Mary CARNOCHAN - there is a lodger, Alexander ROBERTSON age 30, an Ironmonger. This lodger while bearing the same surname, is not listed with a blood-like relationship as are other's in the house ( "Aunt" or '"sister" or "brother" ).
In 1881 - it looks to me like Janet b 1863, above, to John & Mary ROBERTSON is in the household of uncle Alexander the ironmonger. And the question is: is Alexander's sister Mary ROBERTSON the Draper a widow of John ROBERTSON the Leswalt farmer, the son of John ROBERTSON and Mary CARNOCHAN?
1881: 26 Princess Street, Stranraer, Wigtownshire
Head: Alexander ROBERTSON 37, Ironmonger, b Kirkolm
Sister: Mary ROBERTSON, 42, Draper, b Kirkolm
Sister: Jeanie ROBERTSON 39, b Kirkolm
Neice: Janet ROBERTSON 17, b Leswalt
Nephew: William McWILLIAMS 9, b Leswalt
Neice: Jeanie McWILLIAMS 1, b England
So it would be interesting to know, who the parents are of the John ROBERTSON who married Mary ROBERTSON in 1862.
Cheers
AMBLY
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AMBLY
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Yep, and this looks like the death of John ROBERTSON, the son of John ROBERTSON and Mary CARNOCHAN - the certificate from Scotlands People would confirm it.
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~leighann/wfp/deaths/26.html
ROBERTSON, John - Died 8 March 1873 - At High Auchneel, Leswalt, on the 8th inst., Mr John Robertson, aged 44 years
Cheers
AMBLY
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KirstyG
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The IGI has the christening of a "Mary Kie" in 1817 Leswalt, parents Peter Kie and Mary Blackstocks.
Possibly your John's mother?
On the Death certificate was the mother listed as Mary Robertson ms Kees, or just Mary Kees? If the former they may have been married, if the latter you should look under just the mother's name for the birth.
Kirsty
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redbook
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Hi Brosie
We share a common ancestor in John Robertson. You probably have this info, but in the 1841 census a Mary Kie(22, b. Wigtownshire) is living in Low Glenstockadale with her parents (probably) Peter and Margaret. Also living there is a John Kie, aged 5 and born outside the census county. Is it possible that John Kie is the later John Robertson?
In later Census he does state being born in Stranraer in approx 1833, but I cannot find him in the 1841 or 51. Is it possible that he is the John Kie, and living under his mother's name?
Hope you can help me on this.
Cheers
Redbook
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smithea63
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Hi Redbook,
Also have a connection to this family, could you please confirm the spelling you used when you found John Kie aged 5 in the 1841 Census please, As Im not having much luck in finding this record
Thanks
smithea63
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redbook
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Hi smithea63
I found the entry at Freecen first of all, under Peter Kie. 1841 finds only one, living in Leswalt. At Ancestry I couldn't find it under Kie, as the scanners are notoriously bad at reading the handwriting. So I searched in advanced, with fixed name of Mary and then the parish number for Leswalt. This brings the surname up as Kennen. I then looked at S.P. and had to searched that surname and Mary, aged 22 in Leswalt.
It definitely says Peter Kie, then Margaret Do, then Mary Do, then John Do. There was a William Kennan above them in the census, an 8 year old.
Hope this helps you.
Redbook
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smithea63
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Hi Redbook,
Thankyou for getting back to me, I did find it like you under Kennen, with a bit of a wild card search, and have forwared the results on to Brosie, It is interesting, and it may just be our John Robertson under his mothers name. I will continue to research this family before I make my mind up. I do have other ancestors where this has happened, and I eventually was able to prove the connection. So lets hope, Thankyou again Elaine
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