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boosh
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York Street - Belfast
« on: Sunday 14 June 09 07:24 UTC (UK) »
Hello

I having been looking in to a family called Gordon who were living in Belfast from the 1850s.   I have established that they were originally from Dumfries.  Father James and son Charles Duncan Gordon were Professors of music and dance.  I have looked at the street directories and they ran their businesses from York Street. 

So here’s my question.  Can anyone tell me what the area in and around York Street would have been like in Victorian times? 

By the by, I’m not sure if the title ‘professor’ was genuine or one that they bestowed upon themselves as a marketing ploy to get a ‘better class’ of client.  In 1837, James was in Dumfries and he was a ‘teacher of dancing’.   Am I being too cynical?  Wink

With thanks

Pip
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Re: York Street - Belfast
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 14 June 09 09:14 UTC (UK) »
Hi

This might be your Charles Duncan Gordon and son on the 1911 census

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__Anne_s_Ward/Milner_Street/160855/

If you have not seen the census before open form A to obtain copy of original

Also try the site below they have a birth record

Charles Duncan Gordon born 1880 father is James

http://www.ancestryireland.com/
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Re: York Street - Belfast
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 14 June 09 09:55 UTC (UK) »
Hi Helenar

Many thanks for your input and the links.  The Charles Duncan in the 1911 census isn't the one from York Street, he died in 1890 and James, his father died in 1874.  I wonder if he was a grandson - something else to persue.

Thank you again.

Pip
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Re: York Street - Belfast
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 14 June 09 22:22 UTC (UK) »
found these two marriages.


Record Type Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage 16 Jun 1849
Groom Name charles duncan GORDON
Bride Name mary ann MCCORD
Church Belfast Civil Registrars Office
Parish Shankill
Civil District Belfast
County Antrim


Record Type Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage 10 May 1904
Groom Name charles duncan GORDON
Bride Name annie CROTHERS
Church Saint Johns Laganbank Church of Ireland
Parish Knockbreda
Civil District Belfast
County Antrim


                                                 regards mary.
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Re: York Street - Belfast
« Reply #4 on: Monday 15 June 09 05:54 UTC (UK) »
Mary, you're very kind to have to located/posted this information.  I also received your pm  Wink.  This is going to help a lot. 

I'm much obliged.

Regards

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Re: York Street - Belfast
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 17 June 09 00:02 UTC (UK) »
Pip

I have posted three photographs of the area for you, the first photo is of York Street, the second one is York street Mill, the third one is Portland Street which was off York Street. The photos are from the early 1930's, they will give you some idea of what the area looked like.

My mother worked in Gallaghers cigarette factory in York Street in the 1940's as did most of the woman from the area.
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Re: York Street - Belfast
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 17 June 09 06:04 UTC (UK) »
Pentio

Thank you so very much for the images - they help a lot.

The first thing that comes to mind is how wide York Street is!  You'd need a quick trot to cross that without coming a cropper  Cheesy.  (I live in Lincoln, the streets are a fraction of the size to that one.)

Thanks again.

Pip
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Re: York Street - Belfast
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 17 June 09 07:06 UTC (UK) »
It was a mix of residential, commercial and industrial.

You've probably seen the 1850 street directory on Lennon Wylie. http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/1852streetsmtoz.htm#Y

There was an iron foundry  (John Rowan & Sons) and the proprietor's home was also in York Street. There were many shops and a market.

The Belfast and Ballymena Railway opened its line from York Street in 1848, and had its locomotive and carriage construction works there.  My great-great-grandather was overseer at the carriage works from about 1877.
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Re: York Street - Belfast
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 17 June 09 16:28 UTC (UK) »
Hi ShaunJ - I've just got in from work, hence the delay in replying to you. 

I had visited the 1850 directory; and I've just sat here and slapped my forehead for not engaging my brain!  By looking down the list at the other residents I would have gleaned more information myself.  (Tut!)  I've just revisited it, and when I've got more time I'll go back to the later directories to see if there were any changes to the area - business-wise.

The information is certainly helping me build a picture in my mind - how accurate it is I'm not sure.  I'm thinking busy, a tad noisy, and perhaps as time passed 'sooted' buildings from the industry based there. 

It's times like this I wish time travel were possible! 

Thanks for your input.

Regards

Pip
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Re: York Street - Belfast
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 01 October 09 20:37 UTC (UK) »
Hi pip
I noticed the references to Charles Duncan Gordon.
The one born in 1880 is my great grand father I know his father was called James.
Have you Located any connection between these to CD Gordons ?
or do you know if the older CD and any children?

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Re: York Street - Belfast
« Reply #10 on: Friday 02 October 09 06:05 UTC (UK) »
Hi  bjaxed – congratulations on finding Rootschat, you won’t be disappointed in doing so!

CD Gordon Snr had a son called Thomas Gordon (born about 1850, died late 1890s) he migrated over to Liverpool and then settled in Manchester.  He married an Amelia Croston.  I did quite a bit of research on this couple for a friend, they are his great grandparents. 

CD Snr also had a daughter, Fanny, who married J C Baird.  Her existence was found when searching the newspapers on the British Library site.  It was an announcement about her death which confirmed that she was the daughter of CD Gordon, a Professor of Music.  She died in 1888.

I found another announcement about one of his children.  Charles D Gordon jun, “third son of Mr Chas D Gordon, teacher of music, 9 York Street Belfast”. He died in 1872.

I believe I have managed to track down information about CD Gordon’s Snr birth/parents.  Charles Duncan Gordon born 04 September 1829 at Kelton, Dumfries.  I then found this about a brother: 13 July 1837 - James Kirkpatrick Macdiarmid Gordon father James Gordon, Teacher of Dancing mother Fanny Hall, Dumfries. (I also found a reference to Fanny's death in Belfast.)

Hope this helps you to make a connection or rule one out.

Good luck with your research

Pip
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