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William Cornwell
« on: Wednesday 11 November 09 19:39 UTC (UK) »

William, husband of Ann Arber, father of Philip and 4 other siblings seems to have been born c1770. But where? The marriage took place in Bottisham in 1789 and the first three children seem to have been baptised there. I have seen the IGI entry for Isleham but would like further proof if possible. Can anyone help please?
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Re: William Cornwell
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 11 November 09 21:19 UTC (UK) »

Is a parish of residence given in the 1789 marriage entry?
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            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
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Re: William Cornwell
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 11 November 09 21:29 UTC (UK) »

The only Philip I can see was the son of Edward & Elizabeth in 1792 in Bottisham. Where did you find yours?
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            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
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Re: William Cornwell
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 12 November 09 15:12 UTC (UK) »

Hi,

There is a William Cornwell baptised 23/5/1762 in Sutton, Cambridge on Ancestry. Father James, Mother Ann.
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Re: William Cornwell
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 12 November 09 18:10 UTC (UK) »

I have no idea of where William was born, the Sutton one has to be another possibility. Thanks.
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Re: William Cornwell
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 12 November 09 21:37 UTC (UK) »

But the place to start is his marriage. Have you actually checked the entry to see what it says? Was a parish of residence given? If so your search is simplified. If not who were the witnesses? Do they provide a clue?

You can pluck out as many baptisms of a William Cornwell as you can find, but it will be difficult to link any of them to the marriage unless the entry says "William of the parish of xxxxxxxx"

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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
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Re: William Cornwell
« Reply #6 on: Friday 13 November 09 15:44 UTC (UK) »

Hi

The marriage at Bottisham gives William and Anne as botp
3/11/1789 by banns
wit William Arber and Stephen Osbourn

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Re: William Cornwell
« Reply #7 on: Friday 13 November 09 17:34 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Rosie, Now we know for what it was worth that William was living in the parish of Bottisham at the time of his marriage, but for how long and where did he originate?
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Re: William Cornwell
« Reply #8 on: Friday 13 November 09 17:48 UTC (UK) »

I have seen the IGI entry for Isleham but would like further proof if possible. Can anyone help please?

Do you not think that this William could have married Sarah Webber at Isleham 8th November 1796
IGI extracted  Huh

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Re: William Cornwell
« Reply #9 on: Friday 13 November 09 17:50 UTC (UK) »

That seems likely thanks Rosie, and therefore effectively elimates him from the case.
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Re: William Cornwell
« Reply #10 on: Friday 13 November 09 21:18 UTC (UK) »

Now we know for what it was worth that William was living in the parish of Bottisham at the time of his marriage, but for how long and where did he originate?
Rhetorical question I assume

Sometimes you have to look laterally.

You say that William and Ann had a son Philip, although I can find no evidence of this*. But there was also a Philip Cornwell baptised in Bottisham in 1792**, son of Edward and Elizabeth (other baptisms at around this time describe him as Edmund). It's a big coincidence that there should have been two Philips born within a short time of each other. Were William and Edward/Edmund connected? Brothers even? Possibly with a father named Philip? Fanciful perhaps, but you seem to have run out of steam with William, so you've nothing to lose

I would look for Edward/Edmund and see if that leads anywhere

David

*I see a number of online trees show Philip who appears in censuses born 1798 as being the son of William & Ann, but with no sources quoted. Without a baptism it's difficult to attribute him to William and Ann, rather than one of the other Cornwell couples producing children at that time in Bottisham. The trees on Ancestry are rubbish as they all show William, father of Philip, as being born in 1789, obviously nonsense as Philip was born in 1798. Once there's an error of that magnitude I regard everything else as being suspect

** The burial index on the Cambs FHS site shows a Philippa Cornwell aged 22 buried in 1815 at Bottisham.
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: William Cornwell
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 14 November 09 19:53 UTC (UK) »

David, I have William Cornwell, Philip's father b c1769, but where I obtained the information I don't know. I have Philip b Bottisham c1798, and no record of a Phillipa. Unless someone comes up with further information I shall investigate further. WAtch this space!
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Re: William Cornwell
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 15 November 09 08:40 UTC (UK) »

Philip son of Edward (Edmund) and Elizabeth baptised 1792 looks suspiciously like Philippa age 22 buried in 1815. Could the burial entry be Philippe?

I can only see one child of William and Ann baptised in Bottisham - Mary Ann in 1801 - which is on the IGI as an "I" batch with no source.

Edmund Cornell was buried in Bottisham in 1835, age 76. There's no baptism in Bottisham, but there is one in Dullingham in 1752, which is a few years adrift on age. Dullingham is 5 miles from Bottisham, so it might be worth looking there.

But I can still find nothing to indicate that Philip born c1798 was the son of William & Ann.

David
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: William Cornwell
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 15 November 09 15:57 UTC (UK) »

David, Putting the suggestion Phillippe into the fray is interesting and possibily useful as I do have some suggestion of French Hugenots in the tree at about this time. Must really do a thorough revision on my Cornwell tree
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