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Topic: John MAVIN and his wife Mary Ann (nee BROWN) (Read 760 times)
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Tickettyboo
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Hi again
Well, I never discount any possibility, but I have no indication of it. As far as I can see , the line down from them were all married in C of E churches until one got married in an RC church in the late 1940s - as far as I know she was the only one in the family up till then to do so and she remained C of E, it was her husband who was RC.
If you aren't terminally bored with my puzzle, I would be interested in your opinion on a straw I found floating by (that I have yet to follow up properly).
The only reference to Mary Ann's father is on her marriage certificate. John Brown, a tailor .
So far I haven't found anything in directories available on the web for a tailor of that name. I was ferreting round the 1841 census for something totally different though and spotted a tailor in Pilgrim Street in Newcastle - name of John Brown, with a wife called Priscilla ( or Prefrilla as Ancestry has transcribed it in their own inimitable way) . Neither of them were born in the county of Northumberland and it looks like Priscilla was born in Scotland.
Class: HO107; Piece 845; Book: 3;Folio: 16; Page: 25;
Its a fragile wee straw, but they were of the right age to be her parents.
If you have access to the images, do you know what the letter after the word tailor ( it looks to me like a J) signifies? It appears again a few lines down for another tailor.
Boo
Boo,
Is there a possibility that her parents were Roman Catholics ?
MD
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Michael Dixon
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Boo,
J = journeyman... lit. "man who works by the day"
So it would appear that he was a tailor but employed by someone else, rather than for his own business ( maybe why he does not figure in directories ? )
Pity I can not see them 10 yrs later on c1851.
There was another "J" tailor on same page on c1841.
Can not see any sign of a John Brown marrying a Priscilla in Scotland.
If John/Priscilla had been living in England at the time of their marriage, the marriage laws of England/Wales would have "forced" them to marry in a "Parish Church" i.e. Church of England to produce a legal marriage ( this restriction withdrawn 1837).
Assuming for the moment that Mary Ann was their first child, maybe you should search for a John/Priscilla marriage in Bamburgh Parish records ( Records of North Sunderland C of E marriages do not strart until 1837- or at least that's what's first available today)
MD
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Tickettyboo
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Hi Michael
Sorry for the delay in getting back. Summer has arrived here and after a very long winter when the temperatures go down as far as minus 40 odd ( centigrade) I make the most of every minute of sun !
Thanks for the explanation, I thought it may be journeyman, but like to check these things.
No, I couldn't find John and Priscilla in 1851 either. Neither can I find a likely marriage in the Joiner Index. IGI doesn't reveal anything either. So many possibilities though, Mary Ann's Dad 'could' have died when she was very small. I will keep plugging away at it, maybe some day something will turn up :-)
I am ever hopeful !
Boo
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Tickettyboo
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One step forward and five back !
As well as my G Grandmother ( Mary Ann Mavin) , this couple had three other children. Thomas Mavin (born 1843), Margaret Mavin (born 1852) and Elizabeth Mavin (born 1846)
Thomas became a joiner, like his Dad and stayed in the Spindleston area, he is the easy one :-)
The two girls were in the family home for the 1861 census and then in 1871 they were working at Waren House as domestic servants.
After that, they seemed to disappear.
I have found them, they were both in Scotland in 1881, in Edinburgh, both had married in Scotland.
Scotland's People have their marriage records:
Elizabeth married in 1877, groom was George Laidler. As it is a Scottish record, it gives the names of both father and mother. Elizabeth says her Dad was John Mavin, a joiner, mother was Mary Ann ( maiden surname Brown)
tickettyboo !
Then I looked at Margaret's marriage record.
She married in 1879, to Ralph Wallace. Margaret also had both parents names recorded on the marriage record. John Mavin, a joiner and his wife Mary Ann ... but this time it says Mary Ann's maiden name is Cooper.
So now I am left wondering .. maybe Mary Ann Brown was born outside of marriage? Maybe her father was John Brown but her mother was called Cooper and she and John didn't marry?
Lots of possibilities, I suppose.
errm, could someone remind me why we do this family history thing?
Oh yes, its because its fun ! :-)
Boo
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