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Topic: Help with marriage & baptisms in Glossop area (Read 243 times)
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GrahamH
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If you click on the reference for the IGI entry at FamilySearch (film number 0498084) it says the information was taken from the Bishop's transcripts for Glossop, 1664-1845 Church of England. Parish Church of Glossop (Derbyshire). That is what I would expect - the church is All Saints, Glossop.
I see that FamilySearch also comes up with an entry in the Pedigree Resource File for the marriage (which includes extra information for Benjamin) but gives ASHTON as Elizabeth's surname.
You could arrange to see the film at your nearest LDS Family History Centre but, from my experience of other entries in the Glossop registers around that time, you will probably not be able to glean family details. However, viewing the film should confirm Elizabeth's surname.
Graham
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GrahamH
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If your local centre doesn't have a copy of the film it will be able to order one in from SLC. It's a few years since I ordered any but it didn't take long to arrive and it only cost a few pounds.
Graham
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shirl100
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There are some baptisms in Glossop on this site, but not marriages for the year you are interested in http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dusk/glossop.htm
Shirl
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GrahamH
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After our own site that's the first I look at where Glossop is concerned - it's run by a distant cousin  . No baptisms for the people mentioned unfortunately.
The Glossop PR information is in the process of being loaded but is an ongoing project so it will be some time before it is complete. Important to remember that the project only covers the Glossop (All Saints) PRs at the moment so there are only selected entries for chapels within the parish like Mellor & Hayfield.
Having said that, the web site is a fantastic resource for the area.
Graham
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castana1985
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Thank you both for all your help!
I've managed to find a baptism entry for one of their children, Caroline Thorp on the BMD registers site. I had to pay for credits but it was well worth it, as it confirmed what you'd found, Graham!
It reads:
Caroline, the daughter of Benjamin Thorp of New Mills in the Parish of Glossop in the County of Derby and of Elizabeth, his wife, who was the daughter of William and Ann Ashton was born on the twenty ninth day of June in the year of the Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty four .. And was solemnly baptised with water, in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, on the fourteenth day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty four.
So Elizabeth was an 'Ashton' after all! Saves a trip to LDS!
Thanks again for all your help.
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Seymour: Swain: Nolan: Hague: Minshull: Evans: Jones: Roberts: Bailey: Oldham: Thorpe: Ashton: Short: Ollier: Edwards: Sharples: Fish: Johnson: Leech: Woodlington: Hatcher: Richardson: Young: Hadfield: Sidall: Stafford: Wild: Manchip: Hopkins: Holt: Howarth
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GrahamH
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Glad you got a result
That probably means that the information re Benjamin in the Pedigree Resource File entry could be accurate so probably worth following that route to confirm.
Graham
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spendlove
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Hi,
The clew to Elizabeth Thorpe being nee Ashton, comes in the entry you have for 1851 Census
In 1851:
Class: HO107; Piece: 2152; Folio: 11; Page: 14;
Living with Benjamin Thorpe is a Caroline 27 Unmarried, Sister in Law the enumerator has dittoed the Thorpe Name.
However if she is the Sister in Law to Benjamin, her name cannot be Thorpe. Under neath the entry for
Caroline is Ann Ashton 6, dau of Sister in Law.
Elizabeth Ashton Bpt 9.6.1809 New Mills, dau of William & Ann Ashton.
Caroline Bpt 26.10.1823 Mellor, Derbyshire there are other siblings Bpt at Mellor children of William & Ann.
I went to long way round to find this info, which will teach me to read ALL the posts before searching.
Good Luck with the rest of your search.
Spendlove.
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castana1985
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Hi,
The clew to Elizabeth Thorpe being nee Ashton, comes in the entry you have for 1851 Census
In 1851:
Class: HO107; Piece: 2152; Folio: 11; Page: 14;
Living with Benjamin Thorpe is a Caroline 27 Unmarried, Sister in Law the enumerator has dittoed the Thorpe Name.
However if she is the Sister in Law to Benjamin, her name cannot be Thorpe. Under neath the entry for
Caroline is Ann Ashton 6, dau of Sister in Law.
Elizabeth Ashton Bpt 9.6.1809 New Mills, dau of William & Ann Ashton.
Caroline Bpt 26.10.1823 Mellor, Derbyshire there are other siblings Bpt at Mellor children of William & Ann.
I went to long way round to find this info, which will teach me to read ALL the posts before searching.
Good Luck with the rest of your search.
Spendlove.
Hi Spendlove,
Thank you for the information. Have you got the names and dates of Caroline and Elizabeth's siblings? Have you got records for Mellor?
Many Thanks
Tracy
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Seymour: Swain: Nolan: Hague: Minshull: Evans: Jones: Roberts: Bailey: Oldham: Thorpe: Ashton: Short: Ollier: Edwards: Sharples: Fish: Johnson: Leech: Woodlington: Hatcher: Richardson: Young: Hadfield: Sidall: Stafford: Wild: Manchip: Hopkins: Holt: Howarth
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spendlove
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Hi,
If you go on to Family Search = IGI:-
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
Enter under Father - William Ashton
Enter under Mother - Anne (do not enter a surname here)
Enter under LAST NAME - Ashton
Enter under Batch Number - C055601
Region - British Isles
This will produce the children Bpt in Mellor.
Follow same instructions to find Bpt of Elizabeth but use Batch number - C066751. Re Elizabeth
you could also just search using her full name, 1809, Derbyshire and you will get same result.
Regards
Spendlove.
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spendlove
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Hi,
As an example just do a search for Elizabeth Ashton, Born 1809, England Derbyshire.
You will then get a number of results, click on the New Mills entry.
You then get an individual results page, down the bottom left is the Batch Number which starts with:-
C = Baptism
J = Male Bpt
K = Female Bpt
M = Marriage.
If the batch number shown does not commence with one of the above letters, then you know the item
is Patron Submitted, which means you need to investigate further for proof of the entry.
Spendlove.
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spendlove
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Hi,
Jas is abbreviation for James, you cannot discount either Jas. or James with a wife Mary. If after
1841 you can confirm if there were two families or just one (Jas. or James with wife Mary) via Census,
If prior to this it is more difficult, but is possible in most cases.
Joseph you can discount for obvious reasons.
You have to remember that the Vicar or Church Official changed, one may have preferred to use Jas.
whilst the other chose James when making the entries in the Church Registers. Look at the dates of birth
as a very general rule 1st child is born within two years of marriage, and the rest at 2 yearly intervals.
This is only a guide NOT WRITTEN IN STONE.
Only thing is NEVER ASSUME and always take trouble to find further proof, that applies to genealogy in general.
There are many people who have themselves attached to completely the wrong family.
It is not possible to do all your research on the Internet, the IGI does not have transcripts of all Parish Registers,
those they have may not include all the information actually contained in the Register.
The County Record Office hold the original registers, with a host of other records not available on the internet.
If you take a look at this site, you can see some information held at Derbyshire Record Office.
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm
Regards
Spendlove
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Which church? Their father's? etc