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Gemerald
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Hi,
I recall being told some time ago (offline) that i was unlikely to find my relatives on the 1851 census in Wisbech as parts of it had been damaged/lost.
I cant find any mention of this on-line, but equally cannot find my relatives.
Does anyone know if there are actually missing parts to the census and if so is there anywhere which states which areas are missing.
Thank you,
Gemma
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London: Heeks, Hall, Kemp, Attwood
Surrey: Furlonger
Kent: Ballard, Champion
Lincolnshire: Myatt, Fisher
Scotland: Grosert, Collins, Muirhead
Italy: Bafico
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bedfordshire boy
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Welcome to Rootschat, where you're given the facts online!
I don't agree with what you've been told - there are 212 Smiths in Wisbech - both parishes - in 1851 in the Cambs FHS index at http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html
Ancestry says the following:
Known problems with the 1851 Census:
* The following parishes and hamlets are missing from these piece numbers. Some of these parishes and hamlets represent the entirety of the piece, while others are just portions of a piece.
1762 Cambridgeshire and Suffolk
Ashley-cum-Silverley
Burwell
Exning
Landwade
Newmarket Reach
Snailwell
St Mary
Swaffham Prior
1763 Cambridgeshire and Suffolk
Dalham
Dunstall-Green
Gazeley
Higham Green
Kennett Lidgate
Moulton
Ousden
Southwell Park
No mention of Wisbech
Perhaps they meant Ely in 1861 where the schedules were flooded out.
Who are you looking for?
David
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Gemerald
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David,
Thank you for your reply.
I am looking for the TEED family:
Father : Samuel Teed c. 1797 (date from 1841 census)
And Sons:
Pilot Teed c.1829 Wisbech
Richard Teed c. 1831 Wisbech
William Teed c.1834 Wisbech
Pilot is the son i am particularly interested in, but his name is so frequently mis-spelled i am unsure what the correct spelling is;
Pilot Tate, 1841 census
Petal Podd, 1871 Census
Pilet Teed, 1881 Census
Pilet on his marriage certificate (1854)
Pilate on his daughters birth certificate (1857)
I suspect that Samuel may have remarried to a Sarah Woods, but not being able to find the 1851 i cant be sure that the marriage record i have found is my man.
By the time Pilot married he was living in London so i can't use address from marriage certificate to search.
His future wife (Ann Seaman) was living in Leverington Wisbech in 1851, but confusingly she already had the surname TEED from her first marriage!
Sorry for the essay, but they are not the easiest family to track.
Gemma
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London: Heeks, Hall, Kemp, Attwood
Surrey: Furlonger
Kent: Ballard, Champion
Lincolnshire: Myatt, Fisher
Scotland: Grosert, Collins, Muirhead
Italy: Bafico
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Selina
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Hi,
Well according to the parish register transcript he was baptised as Pilate TEED, on 6 March 1829, Wisbech St. Peter. Son of Samuel and Mary of Horse Fair, Porter.
Possibly this is the Samuel TEED (bac) and Mary HARROD (wid) that married in 1826 at same Church. Looks like Mary probably died 1836, still Horse Fair.
If it is your Samuel that married Sarah Woods in 1842 the address was Timber Market, Wisbech which is also the address of a Samuel Teed that was buried in 1847 aged 57.
I don't know how much detail you have but if you want the full entries from the parish register transcript for any of the above events then I will post them for you.
Selina
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Gemerald
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Selina,
Thank You!
No, i don't have any of those records, in the detail you give. I found the marriage for Samuel TEED and Mary HARROD, but it didn't state that she was a widow so i would have been going down the incorrect path looking for her baptism.
I would be very grateful for any of the full entries from the parish register you can post.
I have information about Pilot/Pilate's descendants, but his early life seems to have eluded me until now.
Gemma
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London: Heeks, Hall, Kemp, Attwood
Surrey: Furlonger
Kent: Ballard, Champion
Lincolnshire: Myatt, Fisher
Scotland: Grosert, Collins, Muirhead
Italy: Bafico
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Selina
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Hi Gemma,
Sent you a pm.
Selina
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Selina
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Hi again,
I presume you have Ann Teed in the 1861 census? Sailors wife, Sunderland, must be her as there is a son Samuel Pilot Teed.
Selina
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Gemerald
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Selina,
Thank you for the PM. That has certainly added some more dates to me tree and given me some new avenues of searching.
I may take you up on you offer to look up a couple more names when i have had a chance to look through my notes tomorrow.
Yes, i have the 1861 for his wife Mary Teed, as well as the later census records relating to the family.
I had seen that linked page before, but perhaps an earlier version as it didn't mention Pilate Teed in that much detail (just a name.)
I did find a couple of discrepancies in it when i looked before (for example Alfred George Teed, 1840 did not die young, he just used his middle name!) and perhaps that is why i didn't think to go back to it.
It is certainly worth another look now!
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London: Heeks, Hall, Kemp, Attwood
Surrey: Furlonger
Kent: Ballard, Champion
Lincolnshire: Myatt, Fisher
Scotland: Grosert, Collins, Muirhead
Italy: Bafico
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Selina
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OK Gemma let me know if you find any more names requiring look-ups.
Goodnight.
Selina
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beebee123
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Hi Gemma, David & Selina,
I'm new to this site so hope I'm doing things right. I am so pleased to find someone with Pilot Teed connections - what a mystery family!!
My maiden name is SEAMAN
daughter of Walter Edward Seaman (B: Custom House, West Ham, 1904) and Elizabeth Cross (nee Eddon)
son of Samuel James Seaman (B: Plaistow, West Ham, 1876) and Mary Ann Jane (nee Cannon)
son of William Henry Seaman (B: c1836 Wisbech St. Peter) and Mary Ann (nee Smith) Married: Wisbech St. Peter 1862.
Here the fun starts!
William Henry Seaman, B:c1836 is the illegitimate
son of Ann Seaman . She was Bapt. Aug. 1817 at St. Peters, Wisbech. Daughter of Daniel Seaman and Eleanor (nee King)
1837 Marriage cert.: " by banns in the parish of Wisbech St. Peter, 7th Sept. 1837. William Teed. 21yrs. Bach. Porter, of Timber Market, Wisbech St. Peter. Father: William Teed, Wisbech St. Peter, Porter and Ann Seaman, 20yrs, spinster of Timber Market, Wisbech, Father: Daniel Seaman, of Wisbech St. Peter, fishmonger. Witnesses: Thomas King and Rebecca Smith. (one assumes therefore that William Henry B1836 is their son)
1841 Census Wisbech show Ann with 10mth old son, Alfred George Teed, at Clements Place, Cambridge. St. Clements. Her other 2 children, ie. William Teed (5) and Margaret Teed (3) are at Norfolk St.West, Wisbech with their grandparents Daniel & Eleanor Seaman, and their sons Henry, Daniel and James Seaman.
Daug. Margaret Ann Teed was B:November 1837, Wisbech St. Peter.Certificate states: " Father: William Henry Teed, a porter. Mother Mary Ann Teed formerly Seaman,informant: Ellen Seaman, aunt to child, Timber Market, Wisbech.' The 1851 census gives Margarets birth place as Wolsoken, Norfolk.
1841 Census at Addenbrookes Hospital, Cambs, lists " William Teed, 25yrs. Pt.servant, born in this country." I have checked with Addenbrookes archives and they confirm he was a patient but unfortunately they do not have actual patient records for that period.
1851 census at Norfolk St. West, Wisbech lists Ann Teed , a widow 32yrs living with her family and widowed father Daniel Seaman. William Henry Teed had died between 1841 & 1851.
1854. (Marriage cert)11th December. Parish of St. Marks Old Town, London. Ann Teed widow married Pilot Teed, Mariner, His father Samuel Teed, a sawyer, her father Daniel Seaman a fishmonger. I am delighted to have details of Pilot's baptism - thank you! Like you I have traced subsequent census records and his descendants etc, 'up North' and find another spooky connection with more recent family - that's another story!
My problem is "am I a Seaman or a Teed??" I presume 'Teed' (by paternal blood line) especially as my g.g.g'dad, William Henry's marriage certficate to Mary Ann Smith, Feb 1862 at Wisbech states William Seaman, 26yr. bach. labourer of Poplar, co.Middsx. Father: William Teed Seaman, late of Wisbech, Porter.!! The word ' Seaman' looks to have been an afterthought.
I go to London, Kew, etc., next week and hope to trace Pilot's merchant navy records.I think he was actually at sea on 1861 Census - listed as 'Samuel' Tidd - perhaps he was Samuel Pilot Teed like his son Can anyone tell me what relation Pilot was to William Henry - Ann Seaman's first husband?? If there is anything I can look-up at London in this connection let me know.
Sorry to be so 'long-winded' but it's a very complicated family and this is only the tip of the iceberg.
Barbara
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Gemerald
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Barbara,
Thank you for your reply.
Lovely to hear from someone who is reseaching the same family!
Pilate/Pilot Teed and Ann Seaman are my Great X4 Grandparents.
I dont mind "long winded" at all, since you seem to have discovered a lot of information that i havent!
I had found Ann Teed and George on the 1841 in Cambridge, but hadnt located William, Her husband. The reason for her being in Cambridge is perhaps more obvious knowing that her husband was a patient in a hospital there.
I haven't been able to locate Pilate/Pilot on the 1851 or 1861 census, but i am interested in your theory that he was at sea as Samuel Tidd. It certainly seems like a possibility.
I haven't gone down the route of looking for Pilate/Pilots naval records either, so would be very interested t hear if you find anything.
I have looked, but so far have found no definite connection between William Henry Teed and Pilate/Pilot Teed.
My assumption is that yes William Henry Teed was the father of William Henry Seamn... it would seem a huge co-inceidence that Ann married someone of the same name as her child so soon after his birth!
Gemma
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London: Heeks, Hall, Kemp, Attwood
Surrey: Furlonger
Kent: Ballard, Champion
Lincolnshire: Myatt, Fisher
Scotland: Grosert, Collins, Muirhead
Italy: Bafico
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beebee123
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Thankyou, Gemma, yes it is great to be in touch and able to share family info.. Are you originated from - Teed or Seaman? Gosh they really are complicated.
When I visited Kew in March I checked the 1911 census (free!) to find my grandparents. Samuel James Seaman was at the address in Darlington where I use to visit as a child but it took me a while to find his wife, Mary Ann Jane, and their youngest son. Imagine my astonishment to find them as "a visitor" at Haswall with Walter Cooper and his wife Ellen. Ellen Cooper (age 28ys. B: Sunderland ,on 1911 census) was Ellen, nee Bateman, daughter of Charlotte Bateman (nee Teed)and THE GRANDAUGHTER OF ANN TEED (Teed/Seaman)!! Gosh, that was spooky!
My eldest daughter and I go to London (just for research) twice a year - Colindale, Metropolitan Archives, S.O.G & Kew. At the moment I am 'up to the eyes' in paperwork in preparation for next week. When I get back I will be in touch again and see if I can fill you in more and hopefully some info on Merchant Navy though that is a complicated research area and I have already spent 2 full days delving into the records at Kew for our Pilot, with very little success. You would think with a name like 'Pilot' it would be easy!
Do keep in touch and let me know which side of the family you belong.
Best Wises.
Barbara
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Gemerald
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Barbara,
Yes, i have visited Kew for the 1911 as well....In fact i have a copy of Walter and Ellen Cooper census, and was wondering if the Seaman visitors were relatives!
I am the Great X3 Granddaughter of Charlotte Ann Teed (Bateman), Ellen Bateman (Cooper) was my great great grandmothers (Isabella Jane Bateman) sister.
Yes, you would imagine that a Pilot wouldnt be that hard to trace!
Gemma
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London: Heeks, Hall, Kemp, Attwood
Surrey: Furlonger
Kent: Ballard, Champion
Lincolnshire: Myatt, Fisher
Scotland: Grosert, Collins, Muirhead
Italy: Bafico
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Selina
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Do you think this could be your Pilot?
England and Wales Criminal Registers Cambridgeshire 1847
Isle of Ely Sessions 20 October 1847
Pilot Teed aged 20 tried for Larceny and sentenced to one month imprisonment.
Selina
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