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Laurina
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John Brown Morton Abt. 1879
« on: Monday 15 June 09 19:35 UTC (UK) »
I have hit a brick wall with this guy.

He married in Manchester in Nov 1899, aged 20. He stated on this marriage certificate that his father was also John Brown Morton (deceased). He married again and on his second certificate his father's name is still John Brown Morton (deceased) but it has his occupation as a warehouseman - toys.

In the census in 1911 John Brown Morton says he was born in Greenock Morton, Scotland.

I have spent ages on Scotlandspeople site but can't find a suitable birth for him. I have traced all the John Brown Morton's with sons called John Brown Morton but the father's are still alive with the children in 1901. I can't find a death for John Brown Morton Senior either.

Are there any local parish records that might show his christening? Maybe he was illegitimate.

Any suggestions welcome

Laurina
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MonicaLesl
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Re: John Brown Morton Abt. 1879
« Reply #1 on: Monday 15 June 09 20:00 UTC (UK) »
Hi Laurina

Any possible clues from daughters' names that might connect to his own mother's name?

Monica  Smiley
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
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Laurina
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Re: John Brown Morton Abt. 1879
« Reply #2 on: Monday 15 June 09 21:40 UTC (UK) »
Sons I'm afraid and no relatives on marriage certs as witnesses. According to 1911 census had another child who'd died but no idea of who this could be. Too many possibilities in Manchester where he was living. His first wife, Mary Jane, died before 1911 but can't find a death for her anywhere either.

Laurina
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MonicaLesl
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Re: John Brown Morton Abt. 1879
« Reply #3 on: Monday 15 June 09 22:14 UTC (UK) »
It's a hard one  Cry I can't see a John Snr. death with any reference to a middle name Brown. Any deaths with this middle name are all to post 1900s by a long way. Too many John Mortons for you to go through on SP for death also.

Regarding births for John under Morton, I can only see one in 1875 in Greenock which I would imagine you may have already looked at.

Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
elaine447
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Re: John Brown Morton Abt. 1879
« Reply #4 on: Monday 15 June 09 22:49 UTC (UK) »
have you had a look at the Inverclyde site there are a few
Morton and Brown names on there
http://www.inverclyde.gov.uk/GetAsset.aspx?id=fAA1ADcAMwAyAHwAfABGAGEAbABzAGUAfAB8ADAAfAA1
Elaine
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Docherty,McCluskey,Fitzpatrick,Barclay, Peacock
tootsiepie
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Re: John Brown Morton Abt. 1879
« Reply #5 on: Monday 15 June 09 22:58 UTC (UK) »
If he was meant to have been born circa 1879 , I thought he may have been on the 1881 census in Greenock, but looked at a wider search. The following entry appeared. (  I know the age is a bit out but on how many certs/census do you have his approximate age?)

It's maybe worth a rummage.

   8 Old Dalmarnock Rd
   Barony, Lanark, Scotland
   
Robert MORTON   M   55    M   Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
   Head
   Engine Keeper Chemical Works
Ann MORTON   M   46    F   Lochgilphead, Argyll,
   
   Eating House Keeper

John BROWN (MORTON)       10    M   Rutherglen, Lanark,    Stepson
Scholar
Isabella BROWN (MORTON)   6    F   Rutherglen, Lanark,    Step Daur   
Scholar
Mary MORTON       1    F   Glasgow, Lanark,    
Daur
Isabella CAMPBELL   U   17    F   Rothesay, Argyll,
Servant
   General Serv (Domestic)
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Flynn,Cox, Slaven-Co Longford
Donnelly,McGeown,Hughes,McCrory- Co Armagh
Hargan,Curran,Bradley,Grant,Peoples ,Patton,Dunn-Donegal
Conway,Degnan,McDonald,Cassidy,Kelly,Fenmore,Ryans,Kilkenny,Murray-Ireland/England/Scotland
Reeves,Fox,Williams-Shropshire/Staffordshire/Scotland
Gill,Kane-I.O.M/England/Scotland

Murdoch,Bruce,Rankine,Ballantyne-Ayrshire
McCutchen,McAdam,Wright-Kirkcudbright,Dumfries,Ayrshire

And others

Plus all variations in spellings
Laurina
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Re: John Brown Morton Abt. 1879
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 16 June 09 08:50 UTC (UK) »
Thanks Everyone for your suggestions.

I've eliminated the John Brown Morton b.1875 - I had high hopes for him but no luck - SP have had a fortune already in my quest to find this chap. I agree with Monica, there are far too many John Morton deaths on SP to look at and I'm not sure that would help anyway as I've no idea who his wife was and only the info about his occupation which hasn't helped me so far anyway. Pity he didn't marry in Scotland or use a sibling as one of his witnesses!

Elaine, thanks for that excellent site - I'm going to look at that closely later - daren't start now as I'll never get the basics done today!

Like your suggestion tootsiepie, but the age is too far away at the moment. I have John on two census, two marriage and his death - his age is consistent throughout. I haven't found him in the 1881 or 1891 Census which doesn't help either!

The search goes on...

Laurina
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MonicaLesl
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Re: John Brown Morton Abt. 1879
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 16 June 09 09:13 UTC (UK) »
Hi All  Smiley

That's good lateral thinking tootsiepie! That John Brown/Morton had father called John! Father a coal miner.

Laurina, I've just been going through the 1891/1901 censuses looking for any Mortons b. Scotland in Lancashire area.  Shocked Found this:

John Morton, 66, visitor, warehouseman b. Scotland, staying at a hotel in Mosely St in Manchester

RG13; Piece: 3748; Folio: 50; Page: 1

Monica

Added: that entry was in 1901
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Laurina
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Re: John Brown Morton Abt. 1879
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 16 June 09 10:30 UTC (UK) »
Hi Monica,

I love him.... but unfortunately on John Brown Morton's marriage cerificate in 1899 it says his father is deceased.. . unless of course he lied.  Did a man of 20 need the consent of his parents to marry?

Laurina
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MonicaLesl
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Re: John Brown Morton Abt. 1879
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 16 June 09 10:51 UTC (UK) »
 Cry Wasn't sure if father showed as deceased in 1899 or by the time of the second marriage. No parental consent required for your John by the time of his marriage.

Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
seekthem
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Re: John Brown Morton Abt. 1879
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 16 June 09 18:22 UTC (UK) »
Don't know if this is of any help or not but could this be James Brown Morton
senior.  IGI born 19/11 1854 Gorbals, parents Thomas Morton and Janet
Brown.  Two siblings, twins Taylor Morton and Jessie Taylor Morton born Gorbals 1853.
Liz
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Laurina
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Re: John Brown Morton Abt. 1879
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 16 June 09 20:30 UTC (UK) »
Thanks seekthem

I'm afraid my John Brown Morton's father was John Brown Morton as well. It's a good suggestion and I wouldn't be suprised to find his mother was called 'Brown' but I've no proof.

Thanks Laurina
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Re: John Brown Morton Abt. 1879
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 17 June 09 22:13 UTC (UK) »
Hi Laurina,
Oops sorry getting my James and Johns muddled up.  For what it is worth
IGI John Brown Morton 17/10/1850 Father Hugh Morton Mother Jane Brown
think it was Kilmarnock.
Liz
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Laurina
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Re: John Brown Morton Abt. 1879
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 17 June 09 22:18 UTC (UK) »
That's my favourite at the moment . . . but I just wish I could find John Brown Morton in either the 1881 or 1891 census or even his parent's marriage - he is so irritating!

Laurina
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MonicaLesl
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Re: John Brown Morton Abt. 1879
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 18 June 09 18:27 UTC (UK) »
Hi Laurina

Something I meant to ask! Did John give his birth place as 'Greenock Morton' on the 1911 census as you showed on your first post?

I just wondered whether we were missing anything with the reference to the Morton bit (other than it being his surname!). The problem when googling it is that Greenock Morton is the Greenock football team so not getting anywhere with that as yet  Grin

Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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