mare
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Hoping someone with a marriage cd may be able to assist please
Samuel William Dwen marriage to Eleanor Connors
The couple met on the journey to NZ 1863
The info I have was researched by a deceased family member for a reunion in 1986....
States marriage taking place in 1864 'according to a note left by eldest daughter, at St Matthews Church, this still has to be checked' ...
The Dwen name sometimes gets transcribed as Owen but I can't find it on BDM online under either, have also looked under other variations Dwan, Dwane, Duen etc changing vowels.... not common and no matches.
There is a marriage for a possible bride with no groom named if it is able to be checked please
1868/755 Ellen Connor
TIA
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althea
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Its listed as DEVIN
Bye
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Pascoe, Williams, Rowe, Matthews, Eddy: St Just-in-Penwith, St Keverne, Cornwall. Varcoe, Collicoat, Chapman: Roche area,Cornwall Cornes & Graham: Ireland/Shropshire, Barker, Palin: Shropshire McDougall, Morren: Ireland, Earl, Redgen, Steward: Suffolk Info: Thames, New Zealand Genealogy Resources: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.htmlNZSG Mem#18951 CFHS Mem#13723 Info: Breage, Germoe & Godolphin Cornwall : http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.html |
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mare
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 new one on me ... but perhaps should have thought of it ... yeah right!
thanks so much
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Lucy2
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Hi Mare
Was there a son born 1870 "Samuel Henry DWEN" ?
[With a marriage in 1901 to "CALDER" ?]
If so ... then his marriage shows on the CD as "Damuel Henry DWEN".
Lu
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mare
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Yes thanks Lu, that is their son Samuel known as Henry Harry married Mary ... it is on BDM under Owen
Did help finding it though as I had a photocopy of their certificate of August 14th with what looked like 1907
mare
Ps his birth is on BDM as 1873 as is the record I already had, he had an older brother John William born 1870
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mare
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I am rounding up missing info on this family as there is further interest from Ireland.
There is another lookup from BDM online I have a little problem with. A 3rd child born to this Samuel and Eleanor in NZ, name previously unknown, died and after the tragedy the family went back to Ireland in 1874 and had another 5 children before returning to NZ. The birth index 1869 gives the name as Eliza Fanny and death index 1873 gives it as Susan  assuming of course that there is little chance of mixing it up with another family. Susan wouldn't be a derivative of either name 
Any alternatives, or opinions ?
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Lucy2
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Hi Mare
Mmmm ... interesting.
I would think it more likely that Eliza's surname has been misspelt on the death index.
But I came across this (which solves the "Susan" mystery). 
Symonds Street Cemetery, Auckland :
"Anglican St. Paul's Register has Susan OWEN
buried 25 January 1873, aged 6 months, of Kyber Pass Road".
Lu
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Lucy2
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Hi Mare
Also found this :
http://www.reap.org.nz/~chris/dwanbirth.html
NZ registered DWAN Births ... but it includes many for "DWEN" also. Your "Eliza Fanny DWEN " is there - birth reg'd. at Auckland.
[Just going to have another look to see if there's a similar compilation for "DWAN" deaths in NZ.]
Lu
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mare
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O Dear! ... so Owen and Dwen get mixed both ways! does make it interesting ...
... I had no idea of age of this child who died, perhaps Susan was also theirs and was the 2nd they lost ... there doesn't appear to be a birth online for Susan Owen either. The info I had also gives John William as the oldest child, doesn't exactly mean first born, thought from my putting online info together Eliza Fanny was a young child when she died though she may have died in infancy. Susan's death in 1873 did fit in with their departure.
I know the family settled in Tuakau when they came back in 1885, they were possibly in the Waikato 1863-1873 as Samuel fought in the Maori Wars though his family may have been around Auckland.
mare
ps just seen your post I had seen that link before BDM on line so should have gone back there  think I may have it printed out too from a few years ago!
... pps Susan is there too
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Lucy2
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Here's the link to the main site for "DWAN".
http://www.reap.org.nz/~chris/
 Obviously the death for "Susan" is shown on the microfiche death index ... as DWAN !
DEATH - 1873 - DWAN - Susan (Folio # 33) Auckland
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Lucy2
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Okay ... so Susan is not on the online Birth Index under
DWEN / DWAN or OWEN :
[But, as previously ... she's on the microfiche version of birth index .... as DWAN. ]
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mare
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Thankyou again for your help Lu ... it is one of those names that does seem to be mixed up a LOT so I'm not altogether surprised.
I've only ordered one Dwen printout in the past, had the right date for request and sure enough it came back as Owen. Luckily spouse had an unusual enough combination of names to satisfy any doubt.
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