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Topic: COMPLETED with THANKS Where was Lucy before her 1 Dec 1841 marriage (Read 410 times)
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Just Moi
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Just Moi at 29 Days
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Hi there,
I cannot find Lucy before she married........ Surely she must have been somewhere in Cams to have been married at Cherry Hinton , but I am in NSW Australia, and have not ever visited Cambridgeshire. I cannot even find where she was on 6/7 June 1841, less than six months before her marriage.
I am not even sure that Lucy's husband -John Smith - would even have been be father of my elusive John (Ellington) Smith, but I'm NOT addressing that just yet. I am stuck at "Lucy Anderson". This is summary of "known" info about Lucy.
From IGI Extracted records, on 1 December 1841 Lucy ANDERSON, - daughter of Joseph Anderson - married John SMITH - son of Edward Smith - at Cherry Hinton, Cambridgeshire. (I used that fantastic Hugh Wallis site to get that info)
The marriage would likely be referenced Vol 14, page 85, (registered at Chesterton). And its also likely that 31/CE044/01/17/1 would be the Camdex index reference.
I have been searching for John (Ellington) Smith for years BUT Please don't get distracted - my question is not about H I M this time, I'm just asking about a Lucy Anderson prior to her marriage on 1 December 1841.
Many thanks in advance for help with any sightings of Lucy, or for clues for me to search online for her. I haven't ordered a copy of the 1 Dec 1841 m.c. as I am not sure what further info I would find on a 1841 m.c. - And I would appreciate advice on that too -presuming the Camdex would be the better option - thanks to RChatter on an earlier thread of mine on the Cams Board.
Just Moi.
EDIT TO COMPLETE WITH THANKS, and also to note that there's a summary at end of this thread. (Reply #30) MANY THANKS to everyone at Rootschat for all this help. JM
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Just Moi
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Just Moi at 29 Days
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Hi Pauline,
If I take a giant "cloud nine" or two and dream, then she may be on 1841 and 1851 Census as Lucy Smith, farmer's wife. With HER place of birth listed in 1851 as Tydd St Giles.
One - from 1841 - umm, but as Lucy Smith, at Tydd St Giles HO107; 78; : 16 (Black Dike/Dyke Rd, near Broad Drove) and with children umm, it could be they were registered as Anderson - ummmm  have found possibles as Anderson, ie born several years before Lucy married !
Two - from 1851 - same address and with many more children HO107; 1766; : 28;: 12
The children get scattered in 1861, and Lucy and John Smith (the parents) are NOT at farm in 1861, and are lost.
JM
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tempsford
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Hi,
I don't know if you have the full marriage entry from Cherry Hinton parish registers
John Smith. full age. widr. Farmer. otp. Son of Edward. lab
Lucy Anderson. full age. sp. otp. Dau of Joseph, lab
1 Dec 1841. Wits Robert and Hannah Hinor.
I couldn't find a baptism in Cambridgeshire for a Lucy Anderson but Lucy Andrews was baptised 22 Jul 1821 in Lt Abington dau of Joseph and Mary.
Tempsford.
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Necromancer
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I saw PJ's 1841 find and would agree its interesting.
Esp as I think that the Lucy in 1851 with the 3 kids is NOT 55 as transcribed ?
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Just Moi
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Just Moi at 29 Days
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.... full marriage entry from Cherry Hinton parish registers John Smith. full age. widr. Farmer. otp. Son of Edward. lab
Lucy Anderson. full age. sp. otp. Dau of Joseph, lab 1 Dec 1841. Wits Robert and Hannah Hinor.
I couldn't find a baptism in Cambridgeshire for a Lucy Anderson but Lucy Andrews was baptised 22 Jul 1821 in Lt Abington dau of Joseph and Mary.
Thankyou for that info, especially the witnesses. Agh, umm, so Lucy Anderson was the second (or later) wife - ughhh, I guess she could have been the step-mum to any children of her husband's earlier marriage (s) ugghhh, -
It is of course entirely possible that ummm, IF I have "my" ancestors, then Lucy's husband's earlier wife was umm, Ann Ellington. BUT I have never found any marriage for umm Smith-Ellington. I had hoped to just work on Lucy Anderson. Oh Dear, my umm, brickwall seems to have had more bricks added to it. 
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Just Moi
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Hi All,
Found a christening record for Elizabeth Andrews, daughter of Lucy Andrews - at Cherry Hinton, on 28 June 1840.
Will keep looking for Elizabeth Andrews on 1851 census and edit this post with info as I find it.
EDIT ONE
Elizabeth (Eliza/Betsey, and variants) Andrews (Anderson and variants) not found by me on a quick trawl online in 1851 Census for Cams. BUT have spotted this .....
1866, third quarter, death at age 27 for Elizabeth Andrews registered at Chesterton, Vol 3b page 270 as per online index.
Many thanks for help so far.
JM
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Just Moi
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Just Moi at 29 Days
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Bit More, but on the witnesses to the 1 Dec 1841 Marriage.
Robert and Hannah Hinor (Hyner, Hiner, and other variations) are found on 1841 to at least 1881 in Cherry Hinton. He was Ag lab, and by 1881 seems to be a gardener in the Vicarage on High St.
But, umm, as to where was Lucy Anderson in 1841 -ummm, "otp" when she married at Cherry Hinton on 1 December 1841, so I would expect her to be somewhere in 1841 Census.
Still looking, and will edit this post with any "Lucy Anderson" sightings in Cherry Hinton in 1841.
EDIT ONE
Not found Lucy Anderson in Cherry Hinton in 1841 census, but .........
Many thanks for help so far. At the very least, it has stimulated me to again think outside the square!
Jm
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Necromancer
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so how old do you think Lucy Smith is in that 1851 entry (with 3 kids) ?
Interesting that theres no Lucy Smith in 1841, nor Anderson - nor Elizabeth Andrews in 1851 - have you checked deaths for Andrews and/or Smiths ?
Have you tried to find Hannah Hinor's Maiden name ?
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bedfordshire boy
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I think Lucy Smith's age in 1851 was 35. It's definitely not 55. The top loop of the 3 is very faint
Is there a doubt that the Lucy Andrews FS with John Smith in 1841 is the same as Lucy Anderson who he married a few months later?
David
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Just Moi
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Hi David,
Yep, tis MOI again !
Yep, still have that brickwall, but hope you notice I am trying to be sensible!
Cheers, JM
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Necromancer
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my thoughts too David. 
SO JM, are you not seeing my posts ?
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Just Moi
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Just Moi at 29 Days
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Hi All,
Sorry LKL, I thought I had answered, my apologies, please see my note at last para this posting.
from 1841 Census for TRIPLOW HO 107 / 74 /13 pg 6 or there abouts
Anderson (or something like that) in Church St:
Joseph, 45 Ag Lab; (remembering Joseph was Lucy Anderson's father as her marriage info),
Sarah 43
Ann 22, Charles, 23, Hesperbah (female) 20, Luiza (Louisa ) 17, Henry 9, Mary 7.
Possibly Lucy's family - but at Triplow, not Cherry Hinton. Could those locations be in same Parish perhaps? (David, I recall our RChat discussion re Ecc Dist and Ecc Parish !!)
Yes, LKL, sorry, I apologise for not answering you. I thought I had, but now realise I had not. I umm must have too many screens open at the minute. Do you think I could have Lucy's DAD and siblings on this 1841 entry ? If so, perhaps Luiza could be umm "Lucy" aged 17 in 1841.
JM
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