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delta59
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hello all
Could someone help please. I am looking for George Meredith's birth certificate. He was born c1850 and on census's says either St Martins, Salop or Salop, Shropshire. I have found 3 alternatives for a birth cert either, Oswestry, Stourbridge or Ludlow. Are any of these places near any of the census birth addresses. His parents were Joseph and Mary Meredith 
Many thanks
Delta
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Latham - Leigh, Lancs
Hupton - Staffordshire, Tyldesley, Atherton, Leigh
Meredith - Cefn Mawr, Tyldesley, Atherton
Strange - Westleigh
Wright - Pennington
Cawley & Hough & Hulse - Runcorn, Crewe
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Gadget
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Hi Delta
I know the area well - I grew up about 3 miles away and have ancestors from there. As Tati says, it will be an Oswestry Reg District birth reference.
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Gadget
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No
It's 3 miles to the north. A pretty large ruralish parish. The village itself grew considerably when the Gertrude Mine (Ifton) started coal production in a big way in the 19th century.
I have a book on the history of the parish.
Gledrid was nearer Chirk.
I'll go find a map for you 
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It looks as if Joseph Meredith married Mary Evans, March quarter 1846, Oswestry, vol 18 page 179
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Gadget
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Both Joseph's (in Melverley, Shropshire in 1817) and Mary's (in St Martins in 1827) baptisms are on the IGI.
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Gadget
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I'll have a look for his birth reg. but Joseph Meredith and Mary Evans were his parents from the 1851 census that Tati mentioned.
I'll put up the full details for you:
HO107/1993 F 724 p 22/23
Gledrid
Meredith
Joseph, 31, ag Lab, b. Shropshire Melverley
Mary, 24, b. St Martins
Edwin, 5
John, 4
George, 1
All but Joseph b. St Martins
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Gadget
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I thought that you'd mentioned finding the Oswestry birth reg but in case you don't have the full details, here it is:
George Meredith, Sept q, 1849, Oswestry, vol 18 page 133
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Gadget
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Did he marry an Ann and was he in Bedlington, Northumberland in 1901:
Boat House, Cambois, Bedlington
RG13/4834 F 62 P 16
Meredith
Geroge, 51, Miner and C hewer, b. St Martins, Wales (Salop written in in right column) (a common mistake especially if it was Gledrid which is about 1/2 mile from the border)
Ann, 50, domestic, b. Ruabon, Denbighshire (which is 6 miles from Gledrid/St Martins)
John,27, miner c hewer
George, 21, miner coal
Edith, 19
Evan, 16, miner coal
Warick, 14, miner
Frank, 12, scholar
Florence, 9, scholar
(all children b. Ruabon, Denbighshire)
There is Nathan Barnes, married,23, coal miner, b. Neston, Cheshire listed as son in the same household and other Barnes family members all down as Visitors - one is a Polly Barnes, married, aged 24 and b. Ruabon. Also 2 children - Norman and Edith. It could be that she is George and Ann's daughter and she married Nathan and the two children are George's grandchildren.
The entry is a bit of a mixture. I'll post the Barnes family if you think it is the correct family.
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Florence seems to have married a Henry Hamilton.
Check for George or Warick in Tynemouth in 1911.
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Gadget
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I've found a possible death:
George Meredith, aged 84, March q, 1934, Tynemouth, Vol 10b page 441
I think it might have been in the Cramlington area. Does Hartford Colliery ring a bell?
Gadget
(PS - I find this all rather poignant to think that he was born only about two miles away from where I was born and he died not all that far away for where I live now  )
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