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1851 / 1861 ~ Look-ups please
« on: Sunday 07 June 09 04:29 UTC (UK) »
Hello

Could some kind person help with the following please ?    Smiley

1851

Sarah HOPKINS - bc 1820 (place unknown) and her daughter ?  Ellen HOPKINS (bc 1846 - Bermondsey ?) :


[There is a possible marriage - SEPT - 1856 - for a "Sarah HOPKINS / Robert CURNICK - reg'd. Bermondsey"  ... suspect this might be a re-marriage for Sarah (bc 1820) ?  ]

1861

Sarah CURNICK - bc 1820
[ Ellen HOPKINS -  daughter ]

Many thanks.

Lu
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Re: 1851 / 1861 ~ Look-ups please
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 07 June 09 07:55 UTC (UK) »
Hi Lucy

I can see only one Ellen HOPKINS birth registered in Bermondsey 1841 to  1851: in 1846.

In 1851 Census, I can only see this one:

1 Wrights Buildings, Bermondsey, Southwark, Surrey
HO107 /  Piece: 1562 /  Folio: 442 /  Page: 24 /
Head: Mary HOPKINS 24, unmarried, House Servant, place of birth N.K. (not known)
Dau: Ellen HOPKINS 5, b Bermondsey

The house is shared with a seperate household, headed by  William MAYO 40, widower, Engineer and his 2 sons.

The IGI has an entry (not sure if submitted or extracted but seems to be on a large batch for St Mary Magdalene christenings) for:
Ellen HOPKINS christened 2 Jan 1846 at St Mary Magdalene's, Bermondsey, Surrey
Mother: Mary HOPKINS
Batch Nr: I029118

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Re: 1851 / 1861 ~ Look-ups please
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 07 June 09 10:25 UTC (UK) »
Hi Ambly   Smiley

Many thanks for your help.

Had just been employing a little bit of guess work with the 1846 Ellen and the Bermondsey connection - was rather hoping she might belong to "a Sarah".   Wink

[But fingers crossed, that something might still turn up for "a Sarah CURNICK" in 1861. ]

Thanks again.

Lu
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Re: 1851 / 1861 ~ Look-ups please
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 13 June 09 19:07 UTC (UK) »
Hi Lu

How do you know Sarah Hopkins married Robert Curnick and not Thomas Kelly?

Marriages Sep 1856 
CURNICK  Robert    Bermondsey  1d 84   
Fletcher  Lydia     Bermondsey  1d 84   
HOPKINS  Sarah     Bermondsey  1d 84   
Kelly  Thomas     Bermondsey  1d 84


Thise doesn't seem to be any deaths for a Sarah Curnick of the right age unless her death was registered in 1898 in Kingston (this Sarah was born in Ongar Essex and married to Thomas).


There does appear to be only one Ellen Hopkins with a birth registration in Bermondsey. Ambly has already given the details.


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Valda
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Re: 1851 / 1861 ~ Look-ups please
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 14 June 09 02:20 UTC (UK) »
Hi Valda    Smiley

Many thanks.

Yes, that was silly of me because I don't know which of these two men, married Sarah HOPKINS.   Embarrassed

[And I have to admit, that this search, is really one of just "grasping at straws". ]

The Sarah CURNICK being sought, died in New Zealand in 1875 aged 55.  ( NZ death certs of that era, do not record "place of birth" of deceased.   No NZ marriage found for Sarah).   

Sarah, is known to have been the mother of an "Ellen (nee HOPKINS)".   [Of Ellen, the only positive NZ records are births of 2 children (1868 - 70) and a newspaper notice of her mother's death.    Ellen's d.o.b. is only an "educated guess".    No record found in UK, Australia, NZ, of her apparent marriage to a John Henderson.  No immigration records located.   A difficult and ongoing search continues for Ellen's death record.]

Thanks again.

Lu
  - in NZ

(PS:  This search is to assist a fellow RC'er (resident in Australia),
with a query posted to the New Zealand board.   Wink )
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Re: 1851 / 1861 ~ Look-ups please
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 14 June 09 08:09 UTC (UK) »
Hi Lu

Sarah Curnick's death certificate gives her as the wife/widow of Robert Curnick? In which case the next step would be to obtain the marriage certificate because it does look as if the Robert Curnick who married in 1856 is not showing on later censuses in England.

There are at least two Robert Curnicks born circa 1820. One in Battersea Surrey married to Elizabeth and emigrated to Australia (she died on board the voyage in 1854) and one born in Melksham Wiltshire. He is found on the 1841 census but not thereafter.

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Valda
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Re: 1851 / 1861 ~ Look-ups please
« Reply #6 on: Monday 15 June 09 06:09 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: Valda on Sunday 14 June 09 08:09 UTC (UK)

Sarah Curnick's death certificate gives her as the wife/widow of Robert Curnick?


Hi Valda   Smiley

Thanks for the additional information.

Unfortunately, provision was not made on an 1875 NZ d/c, for the recording of a spouse's name (so Mr. Curnick's christian name is not known.)

Mmm ... I located the passenger list of the 1854 voyage to Australia and the Robert CURNICK showing there was aged 22 (b.c. 1832 ??)  ... that may be an error  ... I'll see if I can find the film and check this out further.

Appreciate your help.   Smiley

Cheers

Lu
   
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Re: 1851 / 1861 ~ Look-ups please
« Reply #7 on: Monday 15 June 09 07:21 UTC (UK) »
Hi Lu

As I said at least two Robert Curnicks born circa 1820

http://www.thetreeofus.net/4/90837.html

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Valda
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Re: 1851 / 1861 ~ Look-ups please
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 16 June 09 10:03 UTC (UK) »
Hi Valda

That's great  ... many thanks for the link.    Smiley

Lu
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