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Topic: HENRY CHARLES GARNER and ELLEN nee Light (Read 333 times)
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louisa maud
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After putting out a plea to find my Henry Charles Garner and his wife Ellen nee Light, on Englands 1911 census as I wasn't able to find them, to my amazement I have found them in Canada, I have no idea when they left England after 1901, couldn't find them on any outgoing vessel records that I subscribe to, I have found 2 marriages in Ottawa, 1924 and 1925, so they must have travelled to Canada after the 1901, to that time I only have the following family taken from
1901
Henry Charles GARNER born 1853 Paddington
Ellen 38 born Guernsey
Nellie May 15
Margaret 15
Daisy Ethel 10
Graham Clifford
Victoria Beatrice 3
Constance Stella ? 1 all children born Paddington England
I have found marriages for the following in Charleton Co but I don't know what it is except it is a publication of some kind
Graham Clifford to Lucille Kemp 1925 Ottawa
Victoria Beatrice to Henry Gladstone Fellows 1924 Ottawa
I would like to find out any other info about this family, if there is someone out there connected I would be interested to hear from them, in fact any info I would jump at
Yours in anticipation
Louisa Maud
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukGarner, Marylebone, Paddington, Northolt, Ilford Garner, Devon Garner New Zealand Parkinson St Pancras, Lethbridge, Paddington, Slough Jenkins Marylebone, Paddington Tindal Marylebone, Paddington Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London Southam Marylebone, Paddington Bragg Lambeth, 1800's Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent, Canada (Toronto) Coveney, Kent, Lambeth Sondes, Kent, London |
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Lisa in California
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.natio
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I cannot view full details from Anc...*, but these could be names from your Garner family:
Henry Charles Garner, died 1933, Carleton
Ellen Sarah Garner, died 1922, Carleton
Daisy Ethel Garner, died 1924, Carleton
Constance Stella Garner, died 1916 Carleton
Sad that they were so young.
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Mumford: Essex/Canada Vaus: Sussex/Surrey Ovens: Ireland/Canada Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada Stuart: Sligo/Canada Fowley: Sligo/Canada Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada Furnival: Lancashire/Canada Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived) (Canadians lived in Ontario)
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geniecolgan
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Many a slip!
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The Garner family arrived in Canada 18th Aug 1905 on the Tunisian, Liverpool to Quebec, going to Ottawa.
Mr. H. Garner, 52, Mason.
Mrs. Garner, 50.
Miss D. Garner, adukt.
Master G. Garner, 9.
Miss V. Garner, 5
Miss C. Garner, 4
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Colgan, Scott, Templeton in Northern Antrim
Colgan in Saskatchewan, Canada
Durrant in Herts & Middlesex
Ford,Smith in Hammersmith, Fulham, Brentford
Whiting in Berkshire
Weller in Sussex and London
Walker in the 24th of Foot, (Canada, Ireland, India and South Africa) and London
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Lisa in California
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.natio
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Anc...* has (for the 1911 Canada Census):
Daisy Gamen, born 1889, parents Henry and Ellen, living in Ottawa City
Graham Gamen, born 1895, parents Henry and Ellen, living in Ottawa City
Victoria Garnan, born 1897, parents Henry and Ellen, living in Ottawa City
Cannot find them on AutomatedGenealogy in 1911:
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/index.jsp
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Mumford: Essex/Canada Vaus: Sussex/Surrey Ovens: Ireland/Canada Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada Stuart: Sligo/Canada Fowley: Sligo/Canada Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada Furnival: Lancashire/Canada Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived) (Canadians lived in Ontario)
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geniecolgan
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Many a slip!
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1911 Canadian Census.
They are on page 9 in the Wellington Ward, Ottawa
http://www.rootschat.com/links/06i4/
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Colgan, Scott, Templeton in Northern Antrim
Colgan in Saskatchewan, Canada
Durrant in Herts & Middlesex
Ford,Smith in Hammersmith, Fulham, Brentford
Whiting in Berkshire
Weller in Sussex and London
Walker in the 24th of Foot, (Canada, Ireland, India and South Africa) and London
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louisa maud
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I would like to thank you all for the info received so far, such a wealth of information, yes, it is very sad they died so young, it makes you wonder what they died of, seems only 1 son and 1 daughter married.
Best wishes to you all
Louisa Maud
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukGarner, Marylebone, Paddington, Northolt, Ilford Garner, Devon Garner New Zealand Parkinson St Pancras, Lethbridge, Paddington, Slough Jenkins Marylebone, Paddington Tindal Marylebone, Paddington Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London Southam Marylebone, Paddington Bragg Lambeth, 1800's Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent, Canada (Toronto) Coveney, Kent, Lambeth Sondes, Kent, London |
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Jacquie in Canada
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Canadian, eh!
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Henry Charles Garner died 13 Nov 1933 from chronic myocarditis (a heart condition) in Ottawa. The death registration indicates he was born 17 Dec 1860 in Scotland. He was widowed and a retired accountant who had worked for Hull Electric Company. His parents are listed as William Garner (born Scotland) and Elizabeth Betts (born England). Graham C. Garner, son was the informant. It also says he was to buried at Beechwood Cemetery.
Ellen Sarah Garner died 23 Nov 1922 from chronic rheumatism and nephritis (inflamation of the kidneys) in Ottawa. She was 60 and born in Guernsey. Her parents are listed as Samuel Light (born England) and Caroline Northover (born England). Graham is the informant on the registration. Ellen was also to be buried at Beechwood Cemetery.
Daisy Ethel Garner died 14 Aug 1924 also from chronic myocarditis in Ottawa. She was born in Oct 1894 in London. Her parents are listed as Henry Charles Garner (born England) and Helen Sarah Light (born Guernsey). Daisy was to be buried at Beechwood Cemetery. Graham was the informant.
Constance Stella Garner died 14 May 1916 from diphtheria in Ottawa. She was 16 and born in England. Her parents are listed as H.C. Garner and Helen Light. Her father was the informant.
Jacquie
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Canada: Patterson, Brown, Haidenger/Heidinger, Meyer, Johnston(e), Gorsuch, Kitchin/Kitchen
United States: Patterson, Smith, Brown, Vance, Bower(s), Newberry, Best, Love, Gorsuch
England (Northumberland): Brown, Whitfield, Henderson
Scotland (Glasgow, Edinburgh, Fife, East Lothian): Johnston(e), Bell, Galloway, Campbell, Robertson, Williamson, Thomson, Crawford
Germans from Russia: Haidenger/Heidinger, Meyer, Meach, Lorenz
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Jacquie in Canada
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Canadian, eh!
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The Garner family arrived in Canada 18th Aug 1905 on the Tunisian, Liverpool to Quebec, going to Ottawa.
Here's a link to the actual passenger list at Library and Archives Canada:
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e147/e003658579.jpg
It might interest you that a W. Light (30, mason, going to Ottawa) with a wife and child are the family listed immediately before the Garner family.
Jacquie
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Canada: Patterson, Brown, Haidenger/Heidinger, Meyer, Johnston(e), Gorsuch, Kitchin/Kitchen
United States: Patterson, Smith, Brown, Vance, Bower(s), Newberry, Best, Love, Gorsuch
England (Northumberland): Brown, Whitfield, Henderson
Scotland (Glasgow, Edinburgh, Fife, East Lothian): Johnston(e), Bell, Galloway, Campbell, Robertson, Williamson, Thomson, Crawford
Germans from Russia: Haidenger/Heidinger, Meyer, Meach, Lorenz
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Jacquie in Canada
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Canadian, eh!
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In case you have an interest in the Light family on the passenger list:
I noticed that there is a William and Laura Light with a son named William in Paddington on the 1901. William was born in Guernsey as well so I'm wondering if this is the family that was with the Garners. If it is, I think I found the WWI attestation papers for their son William at Library and Archives Canada:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/06i5/
There are instructions at the link on how to order his military file. The cost is dependant on the size of the file.
Sadly, William was killed in WWI. I found this entry at the Commonwealth War Graves Commission website:
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=170210
There is an obituary for William at the Canadian Virtual War Memorial website that includes a picture:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/06i7/
Edited to add:
I also found some passenger list entries for this family which indicates they returned to England. They arrived in Liverpool on 25 Jun 1910 having departed from Montreal on the Tunisian. They returned to Canada, arriving in Quebec on 23 Jun 1912 on the Tunisian. This time they were going to Toronto. Here's a link to that passenger list:
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e144/e003579674.jpg
The family appears on the 1911 England census in Edmonton, Middlesex.
Jacquie
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Canada: Patterson, Brown, Haidenger/Heidinger, Meyer, Johnston(e), Gorsuch, Kitchin/Kitchen
United States: Patterson, Smith, Brown, Vance, Bower(s), Newberry, Best, Love, Gorsuch
England (Northumberland): Brown, Whitfield, Henderson
Scotland (Glasgow, Edinburgh, Fife, East Lothian): Johnston(e), Bell, Galloway, Campbell, Robertson, Williamson, Thomson, Crawford
Germans from Russia: Haidenger/Heidinger, Meyer, Meach, Lorenz
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louisa maud
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Thank you once again for this wealth of information, as yet I don't know much about the Light family as this was Henry's second wife, his first wife died quite young, in fact I think he had a some with his first wife, William but at the moment he seems to have disappeared but not for long, I will be on his trail
It seems you are able to access a whole host of info in Canada, lets hope more information will soon be available in England
I am overwhelmed with all of the info found so soon
Best regards
Louisa Maud
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukGarner, Marylebone, Paddington, Northolt, Ilford Garner, Devon Garner New Zealand Parkinson St Pancras, Lethbridge, Paddington, Slough Jenkins Marylebone, Paddington Tindal Marylebone, Paddington Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London Southam Marylebone, Paddington Bragg Lambeth, 1800's Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent, Canada (Toronto) Coveney, Kent, Lambeth Sondes, Kent, London |
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louisa maud
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I have collated all of the info I have received, only one difference is Henry wasn't born in Scotland and neither was his father, both were born in London, his grandfather was born in Scotland but nevertheless I feel overwhelmed by all the information gathered, it has now been added to my family tree.
One thing did occur to me is that they might have left wills, they were apparently what a member of my family called "middle class" of their time, I wonder
regards
Louisa Maud
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukGarner, Marylebone, Paddington, Northolt, Ilford Garner, Devon Garner New Zealand Parkinson St Pancras, Lethbridge, Paddington, Slough Jenkins Marylebone, Paddington Tindal Marylebone, Paddington Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London Southam Marylebone, Paddington Bragg Lambeth, 1800's Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent, Canada (Toronto) Coveney, Kent, Lambeth Sondes, Kent, London |
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Jacquie in Canada
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Canadian, eh!
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Mistakes like that on death registrations do happen. Graham was the informant on both Henry and Daisy's death registrations. For some reason he gave Scotland as Henry's birth place on Henry's death registration but he listed England as Henry's birth place on Daisy's. On the 1911 census Henry says he was born in England but gives a racial origin as "Scotch".
The Archives of Ontario holds wills from the time period that Henry and Ellen died. The indices are on microfilm so a look-up would have to be done. There are volunteers at the Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness website who will do public records look-ups. Here's a link to their site:
http://www.raogk.org/
Or someone here at RootsChat may have access to the microfilm.
Jacquie
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Canada: Patterson, Brown, Haidenger/Heidinger, Meyer, Johnston(e), Gorsuch, Kitchin/Kitchen
United States: Patterson, Smith, Brown, Vance, Bower(s), Newberry, Best, Love, Gorsuch
England (Northumberland): Brown, Whitfield, Henderson
Scotland (Glasgow, Edinburgh, Fife, East Lothian): Johnston(e), Bell, Galloway, Campbell, Robertson, Williamson, Thomson, Crawford
Germans from Russia: Haidenger/Heidinger, Meyer, Meach, Lorenz
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louisa maud
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Dear Jacquie
My mother, who was a Garner, always thought they up kept new year because her Gt aunt by marriage had the maiden name of Anderson, it wasn't until I started researching my family that I found out my mother's Gt grandfather hailed from Edinburgh, she never knew but perhaps they were proud to have Scottish connections.
You certainly have a wealth of information at your finger tips
It would be nice if a kind soul were to find a will but I am very very happy to have all of the information so far. I might even have found their son William, he wasn't with them on 1901 or on the ship to Canada, unfortunately he only had 1 Christian name as far as I now so it is more difficult
It is quite possible the only one to carry on the Garner name could be Graham, he was the only surviving boy who married
Best regards and a huge thank you for all your hard work
Brenda
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukGarner, Marylebone, Paddington, Northolt, Ilford Garner, Devon Garner New Zealand Parkinson St Pancras, Lethbridge, Paddington, Slough Jenkins Marylebone, Paddington Tindal Marylebone, Paddington Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London Southam Marylebone, Paddington Bragg Lambeth, 1800's Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent, Canada (Toronto) Coveney, Kent, Lambeth Sondes, Kent, London |
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