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Benzol
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Lookup - Ellen Rampkin of Stanway
« on: Tuesday 16 June 09 22:55 UTC (UK) »
Could somebody help to trace Ellen Rampkin, please.

I found Ellen married to a relative of mine (John Churchill). They lived Fairsted Essex 1881 Census RG11 1809/152 Page 13. Their marriage took place in Lexdon RD (4a 643) between Oct and Dec 1878. Ellen claims to have been born in Stanway about 1854.

My problem is that Ellen does not appear in the Births Register. I have searched under Ramkin; Rankin and Rampkin - no joy! Anybody any ideas. The 1891/1901 censuses may help but I don't have easy access. If the couple are still living in Essex later on any further details would be good.

Thanks

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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
Re: Lookup - Ellen Rampkin of Stanway
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 16 June 09 23:20 UTC (UK) »
Hi Benzol

1891 and 1901 census both state born 1854 Stanway - details later
1871 census her surname is RAMPLEN and she's living with her uncle Frederick Ramplen and family
1861 she's with grandfather Thomas RAMPLIN, his unmarried daughter Sophia (possibly her mother?), and his other 2 granddaughters Frances and Alice

I can give full details of these earlier census if you don't have access

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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
Re: Lookup - Ellen Rampkin of Stanway
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 16 June 09 23:55 UTC (UK) »
Have you discounted these possible birth registrations?:

June  Quarter  1853  Cosford    4a   4*9    Ellen RAMPLING       
March Quarter 1854 Woodbridge 4a 533  Ellen RAMPLIN

not too far away from Stanway, perhaps she was registered in Woodbridge or Cosford district but brought up in Stanway? 

Her marriage cert may show father's name and occupation, then you could check with the local register office to see if his details were on this birth cert

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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
Re: Lookup - Ellen Rampkin of Stanway
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 17 June 09 00:40 UTC (UK) »
1891 census RG12 Piece 1419 Folio 44 Page 11
Holt Street, Earls Colne, Essex
CHURCHILL
John     head m 40 Groom   Crewkerne, Somerset
Ellen         wife  m 37              Stanway Essex
Charles S  son       8  Scholar
Hector J      "          3
Elsie L       dau      1
children b. Earls Colne


1901 census RG13 Piece 1720 Folio 34  Page 16
CHURCHILL
Ellen     head wid 47 Living on own means   Stanway Essex
Hector  13
Elsie  11
Frank 8
Olive  4
all but Ellen born Earls Colne
   

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Re: Lookup - Ellen Rampkin of Stanway
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 17 June 09 10:40 UTC (UK) »
Hello Barbara,

Rootschatters are great OK!

Thanks for all your time and effort. Lots of detail. Doesn't get much better than this. I didn't know John Churchill had died young. Thanks for finding the baptisms. They're what I was really after. Didn't think of Ramplin and so on and no I hadn't rejected them. If you could say what town/village Ellen lived in 1861/71 might help with RD. Incidentally can't find Cosford, do you happen to know where it is?

Once again many thanks.

Cheers Benzol
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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
Re: Lookup - Ellen Rampkin of Stanway
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 17 June 09 13:45 UTC (UK) »
Hi Benzol

Cosford registration district is Suffolk but covers an area not too far from Stanway - details of the district here:
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/cosford.html
If you use freebmd to find bmds, and click on the registration district highlighted in blue, it will show what towns/villages were covered by that district

John Churchill death registration:
Jun 1899  Halstead    4a   365   Churchill    John  aged 49   

Will give you the earlier census shortly

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Re: Lookup - Ellen Rampkin of Stanway
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 17 June 09 13:57 UTC (UK) »
Thanks Barbara,

Didn't know the secret of RDs. Thanks for the death of John. I also found the births/deaths of two other children in Halstead. One, Harold John must have been the twin of Hector James who survived. I'm trying to find marriages of the children now.

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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
Re: Lookup - Ellen Rampkin of Stanway
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 17 June 09 14:00 UTC (UK) »
Hi Benzol,

1871  RG10  Piece  1751  Folio 75  Page  15 census
23 Coytes Gardens, Ipswich St. Nicholas, Suffolk
RAMPLEN
Frederick  head mar 27 Porter at Hotel   Essex Stanway
Sarah       wife   mar 26             Woodbridge Suffolk
Francis T   son            2             Ipswich Suffolk
Arthur         "       6 months            "         "
Ellen        niece  unm 17 School Teacher  Essex Stanway



1861 census  RG9 Piece  1103 Folio 104  Page  8
Stanway Street, Stanway, Essex

RAMPLIN
Thomas head wid 62 Parish Clerk & Shoemaker  Essex Mark Ley
Sophia   dau  unm 23     "       "    Daughter
Ellen   grand dau    7 Scholar
Frances   "      "      6    "
Alice        "       "     1  Grand Dau

Sophia & Children born Stanway


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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
Re: Lookup - Ellen Rampkin of Stanway
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 17 June 09 14:09 UTC (UK) »
1851 census  HO107  Piece 1782  Folio 457  Page 10
29 Street, Stanway, Essex

Susannah RASHBROOK head wid 74  Retired    Essex Dedsham
Sophia RAMPLIN           visitor    14 Shoemaker's Daughter   Stanway


1851 census   HO107  Piece  1782 Folio 456  Page  9
24 Street, Stanway, Essex

RAMPLIN
Thomas   head mar 52 Shoe Maker   Mark Tey, Essex
Elizabeth wife  mar 51
Thomas    son  unm 27 Journeyman Carpenter
James         "      "    24 Groom
Caroline   dau     "   20 Seamstress
Joseph     son     "   17 Shoe Maker
Naomi      dau     "   10 Scholar
Fredrick    son     "    7      "

all but Thomas senior born Stanway


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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
Re: Lookup - Ellen Rampkin of Stanway
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 17 June 09 14:12 UTC (UK) »
1841 census   HO107 Piece 334  Book  12 Folio  5  Page 4
Stanway Essex
RAMPLIN
Thos     40 S. M
Elizh     40
Elizh     18
Tho      17
Jas       16
C          10
Josh       8
Sophia    3
N         9 mo
all born Essex
   
will look for Frances and Alice in later census (the other grandchildren with Ellen in 1861 census)  to see if they are with their parents

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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
Re: Lookup - Ellen Rampkin of Stanway
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 17 June 09 14:20 UTC (UK) »
Looks as if Frances and Alice were the unmarried Sophia's daughters, so a strong possibility that Ellen was too?

Marriage registration Sep 1861 Colchester    4a   369
NORDEN    John        RAMPLIN    Sophia

1871 census RG10 Piece 562 Folio 37 Page  26
2 Bow Common Lane, Mile End Old Town, London
NORDEN
John       head m 40 Carman  Essex Colchester
Sophia     wife m 33              Essex Stanway
Frances   dau      17 Fur Sewer   "     "
Alice           "        11 Scholar        "     "


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Re: Lookup - Ellen Rampkin of Stanway
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 10 October 09 20:22 UTC (UK) »
Re- Ellen Ramplin
Ellen was my great grandmother.
Elsie Laura was my grand mother.
I knew Olive.
I know where they all lived.
Visited John Churchills mothers grave in Crewkern 2 years ago.
If you would like to get back to me I can tell you lots.
Dally
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Re: Lookup - Ellen Rampkin of Stanway
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 11 October 09 18:19 UTC (UK) »
Hello Dally,

Good to be in contact with a cousin albeit very long distance.

My Great x2 Grandfather Thomas Churchill was the younger  brother of your Great x3 Grandfather Joseph. If you need any help with the Churchills I'm back to about 1760. I also wander far and wide on a number of more recent Churchill lines if your interested!

Anything you have on the descendants of Charles Churchill and Elizabeth (Betsy) nee Lacey would be good. By the way could you let me know when and where Elizabeth was buried; also her date of death would be great. I have her death in the Chard RD October quarter of  1892 age 73. Is that about right? By the bye was there an epitaph on her gravestone?

Anyway thanks for contacting me. Look forward to the next contact.

Benzol

ps Barbara - Thanks once again for all the interest you've shown and the help given
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Re: Lookup - Ellen Rampkin of Stanway
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 13 October 09 12:32 UTC (UK) »
Hi Benzol
Re Ellen Churchill. (Or Ella as my grandmother called her)
Children were.
Charles Lacey. I know a lot about him.
Hector James. Lived in Jersey. Left befor WW2. Applied to go back after war. But after that I have no idea.
Harold John. (Twin of Hector)  Died after few months.
Elsie Laura. My Grandmother. Lived with us from 1952.
Frank Arthur. Died WW1 at Flanders. Age 23.
And last was Olive May. Lived at Halstead. I knew her very well. Had loads of children and died of Parkinsons.
No such place as Cosford. Copford is next village to Stanway and thats where I was brought up.
If you wish to know more let me know.
Oh yes.!
Elizabeth/Betsy Churchill was buried in Crewkern Cemetery on the left just inside the gate. She has a head stone. I took pic's but they are on my old phone. She either died or was put to rest on 17th Dec 1892 age 73.
Regards Dally
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Re: Lookup - Ellen Rampkin of Stanway
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 13 October 09 21:59 UTC (UK) »
Hello Dally

Thanks for sharing your family with me. To answer your question I'll take as much as you're prepared to offer or until your patience runs out! The date of death/burial of Betsy was good news. Hope to visit Crewkerne again - I was there sometime in the late 1950s and have not returned since - I'll look for Betsy's gravestone.

The best way to eat an elephant is steak-size bits so perhaps you could start in a small way by clearing up the mystery of Ellen. What was her maiden name; where was she born; what was her date of birth and/or baptism; when/where was she married; when/where did she die and/or was buried. Do you know any or perhaps all of this stuff?

I would also value the place and date of death and/or burial of John Churchill, Ella's husband - if you know it.

You don't say whether you are at all interested in the Churchill family. Let me know if you need anything - no hurry!

By the way I identified one Clifford George Churchill a son of the above couple who was born in the summer or 1884 and died about a year latter in 1885. Both events Registered at Halstead Registration District.

Cheers Benzol
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