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Topic: Margaret McMillan nee Thomson (Read 365 times)
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hmcmillan29
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Hi Roots chatters,
Im looking for details of Margaret Thomson. She was b anywhere between 1835 and 1842 in Symington, Ayrshire.
She married Robert Young McMillan 4 June 1869 in Kilmarnock.
I ordered her wedding cert from SP, but I found it extremely difficult to read, therefore I was wondering if anyone can locate her on 1841, 51 or 61 census.
I think I have found the correct Margaret on the 1871, 81 and 91 census, living in Beith with Robert and their children William 1870, Robert 1871, George 1873, Maggie 1876, Jane 1879 and Alexander 1882.
Any info on her or any of this family, would be very much appreciated.
Many thanks
Hazel
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Huguenots, Silk weavers, Bethnal Green, Mdx
Sharpe - Bethnal Green, Mdx
Painel/Painell/Pennel - Bethnal Green, Mdx
McMillan - Kilmarnock, Beith, Kilbirnie (all Ayrshire), Glasgow, Ireland
Young - Beith, Kilbirnie, Ayrshire
Hamilton - Glasgow, Midlothian
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Hazel
Is the writing too faint to read? You can contact SP on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/contactus/form.aspx?issue=24 regarding an illegibible image and they will send you via email an enhanced section of the parts you have a problem with.
Margaret is showing a birth place of Symington but I'm not seeing her under Thomson so maybe she is showing under a different surname (if mother remarried for example). This is where the marriage entry comes in useful regarding parents' names and the way it is written up.
Monica 
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hmcmillan29
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Good Morning Monica,
Thank you so much for replying to me.
The certificate is extremely faint and I can only make out a few things, eg, confirmation of Roberts parents as I knew what names I was looking for. Unfortunately it doesnt seem to record an age for Margaret, but I will contact SP like you have so kindly said and I will see if they can help me.
Do you know if there is a way to download a copy of the cert to rootschat for others to help me read it? I have tried saving the document, but it hasnt worked and my printer is typically not working! I wasnt sure how that worked with copyright etc.
Thank you again so much for your help....I really appreciate it.
Regards
Hazel
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Huguenots, Silk weavers, Bethnal Green, Mdx
Sharpe - Bethnal Green, Mdx
Painel/Painell/Pennel - Bethnal Green, Mdx
McMillan - Kilmarnock, Beith, Kilbirnie (all Ayrshire), Glasgow, Ireland
Young - Beith, Kilbirnie, Ayrshire
Hamilton - Glasgow, Midlothian
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jonn
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Hello Hazel,
Your William McMillan, you say born 1870. to Robert McMillan, and Margaret Thomson. There doesnt seem to be a birth for him under that name, there is however a birth in the correct timeframe, William Young, 23/Sep/1869. Kilmarnock, Ayr. to parents Robert Young, and Margaret Thomson.
Going by the 1881. census.
New Street, Beith.
Robert Phillip McMilan, Head, Calico Printer, M. 39 years, M. born Kilmarnock,
Margaret McMilan, Wife, M. 45 years, F. born Simonston, Ayr,
William McMilan, son, 11 years, M. born Kilmarnock, Ayr,
Robert McMilan, son 10 years, M. born Kilmarnock, Ayr,
George McMilan, son 7 years, M. born Beith, Ayr,
Maggie McMilan, daur, 5 years, F. born Beith, Ayr,
Jane McMilan, daur, 2 years, F. born Glasgow.
Is this your family, thats the way McMilan, is down on the 1881. census disc.
Also was Robert McMillan's, father named William, and his mother Jean.
Regards,
Jonn.
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hmcmillan29
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Hi Jonn,
Thank you very much for your help here. Its very much appreciated.
I took the info on William 1870, from 1871 census...Source Citation: Parish: Kilmarnock; ED: 15; Page: 12; Line: 16; Roll CSSCT1871_111; Year: 1871.
Robert Young McMillan wasnt mentioned on this census, but the rest of the people on it matched his family...so I could be wrong there.
The 1881 census that you mentioned is exactly what I have noted.
My Ancestor is George McMillan b 1873 Beith. He married Mgt McCallum 6 Dec 1904, Glengarnock.
According to George's marriage cert, his father was Robert Young McMillan and his mother Margaret Thomson (aka Richmond).
I got R Y McMillan's marriage cert, and his father was William McMillan and mother Jane ms McKay. This side of the family are difficult to find though.
I cannot find a marriage anywhere for Wm & Jane, but I did see on IGI a marriage for William McMillan and Janet MacKie, 10 July 1840 in Kilmarnock, which could be possible. Jane could be Jean or Janet...I think! Finding them on any census returns has drawn blanks for me so far.
Thank you Jonn for your time. Are you related to my family in any way, or are you being a very kind soul?
This is such a brilliant site with lots of good hearted people willing to go out their way to help others.
Kind regards
Hazel
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Huguenots, Silk weavers, Bethnal Green, Mdx
Sharpe - Bethnal Green, Mdx
Painel/Painell/Pennel - Bethnal Green, Mdx
McMillan - Kilmarnock, Beith, Kilbirnie (all Ayrshire), Glasgow, Ireland
Young - Beith, Kilbirnie, Ayrshire
Hamilton - Glasgow, Midlothian
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jonn
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Hello Hazel,
I have done lots of research on McMillan's, from Ayrshire, because my Great Great Grandmother, was in fact a Margaret McMillan, alas not from your line.
Yes i agree that Robert Young McMillan's, parents were William McMillan, and Jean McKay, i can see them on the 1841. 1851,1861, and 1881. census.
Its also very likely that the marriage you found for 1840 Kilmarnock, is the correct one, Mackie, is interchangeable with McKay. and there is a couple in the 1841 census in Kilmarnock, William McMillan, and Jean McMillan, aged 20 years, ages on the 1841 census were rounded down to the nearest rounded figure, so dont go by those ages they could be a couple of years out either way.
Later on in life William, and Jean, ran into harsh times they applied for poor relief when they were quite old.
I will fill you in with more details later.
Regards
Jonn.
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hmcmillan29
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Thank you very much for that info Jonn.
Im glad I seem to be on the right path with this particular side of my family. I will have another closer look at the census records to locate them and look forward to receiving any info you have on the McMillans.
Kind regards
Hazel
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Huguenots, Silk weavers, Bethnal Green, Mdx
Sharpe - Bethnal Green, Mdx
Painel/Painell/Pennel - Bethnal Green, Mdx
McMillan - Kilmarnock, Beith, Kilbirnie (all Ayrshire), Glasgow, Ireland
Young - Beith, Kilbirnie, Ayrshire
Hamilton - Glasgow, Midlothian
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jonn
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Hello Hazel,
The 1851. and 1861. census, for William McMillan, and Jean McKay, that i have come from discs that i have for Ayrshire, they are not the full census but they help to point to families, you can obtain the full census from Scotlandspeople.
1851. Kilmarnock.
William McMillian, age 32 years, born Kilmarnock, Ayr,
Jean McMillan, age 28 years born Galston, Ayr,
Robert McMillan, age 9 years, born Kilmarnock, Ayr,
William McMillan, age 5 years, born Kilmarnock, Ayr,
John McMillan, age 3 years, born Kilmarnock, Ayr.
1861. Kilmarnock.
William McMillan, age 43 years, born Kilmarnock, Ayr,
Jean McMillan, age 39 years, born Galston, Ayr,
Robert McMillan, age 18 years, born Kilmarnock, Ayr,
William McMillan, age 15 years, born Kilmarnock, Ayr,
John McMillan, age 13 years, born Kilmarnock, Ayr,
George Jeanie, age 4 years, born Kilmarnock, Ayr.
The George Jeanie, aged 4 years, is actually a girl she was born Jeanie George,19/Aug/1856. Kilmarnock, Ayr, to parents William McMillan, and Jean McKay.
1881. census, 67 Whang Street, Beith, Ayr.
William McMillan, Head, Engineman in Chair Factory, M. age 63 years M. born Kilmarnock, Ayr,
Jean McMillan, Wife, M. age 59 years, born Galston, Ayr,
Georgina McMillan, daur U. age 24 years, F. born Kilmarnock, Ayr.
Sopherina McMillan, Grand Daur, age 11 months, F. born Beith, Ayr,
William Anderson, Boarder, Wood Carver, Chair Factory, U. age 28 years, M. born Glasgow.
The above Georgina McMillan, is the daur Jeanie George, born 1856.
So by 1881. Robert, and his parents have all moved from Kilmarnock, to Beith.
Regards,
Jonn.
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hmcmillan29
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Jonn,
Thank you very much for your wonderful details of the McMillans. I very much appreciate the trouble you have gone to.
I had noted down George Jeanie's birth from IGI and it gave her name as Jeanie George with her dob. I also noticed a few other names, but didnt know where they belonged in the tree, so thanks to your info, I do now!
I ordered the marriage of William and Janet (Mackie) from july 1840, but sadly there was no details of the parents. I wrote another message to roots chat and Gadget has replied with an interpretation to my question about it. ( I wanted to know what proclamation extract meant).
Thanks again
Kindest regards
Hazel
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Sharpe - Bethnal Green, Mdx
Painel/Painell/Pennel - Bethnal Green, Mdx
McMillan - Kilmarnock, Beith, Kilbirnie (all Ayrshire), Glasgow, Ireland
Young - Beith, Kilbirnie, Ayrshire
Hamilton - Glasgow, Midlothian
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jonn
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Hello Hazel,
Jean McKay, McMillan, died 1904. Beith, Ayr, aged 83 years, she is down as Jane.
Her husband William McMillan, died 1899. Beith, Ayr, aged 81 years.
Hopefully if you get these death certificates there parents names should be on them, that is provided who registered the deaths had this information.
Regards,
Jonn.
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hmcmillan29
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Many thanks again Jonn for this information.
I will now use my SP credits to obtain the required certs.
Thank you, thank you!
Hazel
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Huguenots, Silk weavers, Bethnal Green, Mdx
Sharpe - Bethnal Green, Mdx
Painel/Painell/Pennel - Bethnal Green, Mdx
McMillan - Kilmarnock, Beith, Kilbirnie (all Ayrshire), Glasgow, Ireland
Young - Beith, Kilbirnie, Ayrshire
Hamilton - Glasgow, Midlothian
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