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harpic
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I am searching for my grandfather. According to 1881 Census he was born in Notting Hill, Mdx. His father was Henry Knight and I believe his mother was Sarah Priest B.25.9.1840, Bracknell, Brks.
I have been told by Record Office that his birth was not registered.
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avm228
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Hello
The 1881 census (RG11/1338/99/36) shows William H. to be 15, which would suggest a birthdate of abt 1866 rather than 1870
His mother Sarah J gives her birthplace as Cookham in 1881. Helpfully her father William Priest is with the family too, so that helps to place her.
Given that you already have the 1881 census and you know who William H's parents are, what information are you specifically looking for?
Anna 
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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avm228
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The family's entry in the 1871 census shows William as aged 5 and born Notting Hill, which is consistent with the information about him in the 1881 census.
His mother is once again enumerated as Sarah J. born Cookham (she's 31).
1871: RG10/701/80/53
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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wouldnt be the first time I've seen forenames transposed 
Births Sep 1865
Knight Henry William Kensington vol 1a page 72
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avm228
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In 1861 Sarah PRIEST, 21 b Cookham is with father William and 11 yr old sister Elizabeth in Wandsworth: RG9/372/128/5.
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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avm228
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Marriage from www.freebmd.org.uk:
Sep qtr 1861
Henry KNIGHT
Sarah Jane PREIST [sic]
on same page, Wandsworth 1d 718
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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avm228
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The PRIEST family in 1841:
HO107/15/10/4/3
Langtons Farm, Pinkney Green, Cookham
William PRIEST 25 Sh maker Not born in county
Rebecca do 20 Born in county
Sarah do 8months Born in county
ETA: They're in Bray in 1851 - HO107/1694/159/6.
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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avm228
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Sarah's birth reg:
Sep qtr 1840
Sarah Jane PRIEST
Cookham 6 146
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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harpic
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Thank you all so much for your replies. I had given up all hope of finding birth certificate as I paid Record Office to search for me. I wanted to be sure that Sarah Priest was his mother which I had assumed from the 1881 Census.
I will now obtain the birth certificate.
Again - Many thanks.
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harpic
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Hi groom (Jan)
On Sarah's birth cert. the mother is Rebecca formerly Thorn not Allen.
Cookham Vol.VI P.146 25.9.1840.
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harpic
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Many thanks for your replies and I have obtained Henry William's B.Cert. His father was James mother Frances. From Parish Reg. I have found James married Frances Woolven 15.6.1834.
I found James Knight B.20.1.1815 Christened 22.3.1815, father James, mother Hannah. Clerkenwell, London.
Another James Knight B.13.7.1801 Christened 9.3.1806 St. Luke, Chelsea.
I also found a burial for James Knight St. Paul, Hammersmith, 9.5.1811 age 36 B calculated 1775.
From another member of my family I was told that Frances died 1848 and James re-married Ann Annett. I have since obtained the death cert. 23.5.1848.
Which James Knight do I follow up?
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Valda
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Hi
Baptism 27 Jul 1865 St James Norlands, Kensington
Henry William Knight parents Henry and Sarah Jane Knight father's occupation Bricklayer something like Keney ? Street
8th September 1861 marriage
Henry Knight full bachelor Bricklayer Wandsworth James Knight Bricklayer
Sarah Jane Priest full spinster Wandsworth William Knight Shoemaker
Marriage was by banns
both signed
Witnesses William amd Elizabeth Priest
On the 1871 census Henry Knight states his birth place as Hounslow Middlesex born circa 1834. He is lodging in Mortlake on the 1861 census RG9 461 folio 48
1851 census HO107 1698 folio 61
Village of Lampton Heston Middlesex
James Knight 40 Head Married Bricklayer Heston Middlesex
Ann Knight 37 Wife Married Sunbury Middlesex
Henry Knight 16 Son Bricklayer Heston Middlesex
James Knight 12 Son Heston Middlesex
Eliza Knight 10 Daughter Heston Middlesex
Sarah Knight 6 Daughter Heston Middlesex
1841 census same place though James' wife appears to be Frances
HO107 658/2 folio 11
Heston and Hounslow are about 1 and a half miles apart and Lampton is between them.
Baptism 21st December 1834 born 21st October
St Mary Osterley Heston
Henry Knight parents James and Frances of Heston father's occupation labourer
Burial St Leonard Heston
28th May 1848
Frances Knight aged 35 of Lampton
James' second marriage gives you his father's name
30 Sep 1850 Holy Trinity
James Knight Full Age Widower Bricklayer Hounslow James Knight Bricklayer
Ann Annett spinster Hounslow Thomas Annett Carpenter
marriage by banns
both signed their names
Witnesses Eliza Gibbons made her mark and John Jedder
Have you proved Frances Woolven was Henry's mother? Have you obtained one of the younger children's birth certificates?
So you are looking for the baptism of a James Knight in the Heston/Houslow area of Middlesex (not London) circa 1811 or earlier (since he gives his age as 35 on the 1841 census - adult ages usually rounded down to the nearest 5 on that census, he may be adjusting his age for a younger wife on the 1851 census) with a father James a bricklayer (these church records are unlikely to yet be indexed) - all the James' you list are what would now be thought of as central London, though still Middlesex at that time since London officially was only the square mile of the City. The Houslow area today is part of Greater London - an outer London borough, and would have been in Middlesex until well into the second half of the C20th.
A possible
1851 census HO107 1698 folio 112
Northgate Lane Heston Middlesex
James Knight 77 Head Married Bricklayer's labourer Petworth Sussex
Mary Knight 72 Wife Married Heston Middlesex
Elizabeth Knight 40 Daughter Unmarried Heston Middlesex
Eliza Knight 3 Granddaughter Heston Middlesex
Burial St Leonard Heston 1st April 1855
James Knight aged 82 Hounslow
Regards
Valda
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harpic
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Oh dear! The death cert. I have for Frances is 23.5.1848 no address age 37 wife of James Knight, Bricklayer informant Sarah Cooper, Brentford, Isleworth Mdx. Have I got the wrong Frances? You state age 35 buried St. Leonard, Heston.
I have not proved Frances was Woolven and just assumed I had the correct marriage from Parish Records.
The 1851 Census I thought was my family was HO107 1698
Ann born Sunbury, Eliza, Henry, James, Sarah born Heston.
Henry William Knight was where I started and with your help I discovered that he was christened Henry William and I then obtained his birth cert. 13 Kenilworth St. Kensington.
The latest Parish Records were provided by West Middlesex Family History Society.
I do know that there were two Knight families in the Heston and Isleworth area and it would seem they all use the same names. What a mess! I remember sitting an exam in Isleworth and there was another girl with my name in the same room.
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Valda
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Hi
Other than the ages are different on Frances burial and on her death certificate and it depends who was the informant/s for both these events - it certainly wasn't Frances who would be the most knowledgeable about her age, the date of death and burial are compatible and Heston is in the civil registration district of Brentford, so no issue. Sarah Cooper is likely to be a local woman who acted as a nurse in the area.
You can't actually assume anything in family history - assume doesn't prove anything. It might be correct it might not. Where did the marriage take place? One of the children born after the start of civil registration, would proven their mother's name from a birth certificate.
The 1851 census you quote is the same one I have given.
The two Knight families in Lampton (village next to Heston) and Heston I am suggesting could be father and son which if correct is great news because James senior lived until he was 82 and past the 1851 census. If he is the correct man without that information and with a common name like James Knight it might never have been possible to trace the line back to Petworth Sussex. All you have to do is prove the connection between the two men and for that you will probably need the Heston parish registers to find James junior's baptism.
Regards
Valda
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