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Michael Dixon
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Re: Eleack??? Northumberland
« Reply #30 on: Monday 09 February 09 12:22 UTC (UK) »



Snippet on EDWARDS.

The surname profiler web site ( National Trust) has North Wales as the densest place in GB for the surname Edawrds !

Michael Dixon
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GALLAGHER ( + variations).
Areas. Co Sligo, Co Leitrim, Co Mayo. IRELAND.
Ontario, CANADA
Lowell, Ma, USA
Counties of Northumberland & Durham, ENGLAND
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MALEY/MELIA/MALLEY  - with or without " O "
Westport Co Mayo. Northumberland
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DIXON
Cumberland.. Brampton, Carlisle, ENGLAND
Kappalyn
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Re: Eleack??? Northumberland
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 10 February 09 00:57 UTC (UK) »

Hi Peter,
I think I may be a bit dim!! Huh But I can only find Lloyds Register of Shipping in Google books for 1820 and then 1865/68.  Where do I look for the others? BUT I did find on the mariners-L site, 2 more ships...the Utopia sailed to Australia in 1854 and the Una sailed to Sierra Leone.  The background to the family and now the connection to the immigration to Australia I find so interesting.   I really cannot thank you enough for your interest and help.
Margaret
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Kappalyn
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Re: Eleack??? Northumberland
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 10 February 09 01:11 UTC (UK) »

Hi Michael,
Thank you for the info re Edwards.  Mary came from Ruabon in Wales.  Someone on the Wales section looked up Mary Edwards but couldn't find her ...at least not in the Church of England parish records so maybe she wasn't Cof E.  I will be visiting Uk in June so I can see that much of my time will be spent poring over parish records in various parts of England and Wales as well as days spent in the UK archives.  Incidently regarding William and his parents....they may have been John and Anne, not William and Hannah.  According to his death record, he would have been born 1797/98, and also at least 2 of his daughters have Anne as a second name.
Margaret
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Michael Dixon
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Re: Eleack??? Northumberland
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 10 February 09 01:39 UTC (UK) »


Margaret,

Aren't  Ann Anne Anna Annie Hanna Hannah just variations of the same name ?
( ditto Rosanna Rosannah )

Religious denominations... The Church of England was not followed in Wales to the same extent as in England. For example John Wesley had success in Wales in second half of C18th with his Methodism.

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Names.

GALLAGHER ( + variations).
Areas. Co Sligo, Co Leitrim, Co Mayo. IRELAND.
Ontario, CANADA
Lowell, Ma, USA
Counties of Northumberland & Durham, ENGLAND
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MALEY/MELIA/MALLEY  - with or without " O "
Westport Co Mayo. Northumberland
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DIXON
Cumberland.. Brampton, Carlisle, ENGLAND
peter brownlee
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Re: Eleack??? Northumberland
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 10 February 09 21:07 UTC (UK) »

Hello Margaret,
You have to click on to the phrase more editions in blue.
The John Sharp who was master of the Recorder may have been a brother and the Lucy Sharp who had a ship named after her, a neice. Unfortunately the Lloyds captains list is only on line to M so far.
At the date William and Mary were married, people tended to find partners within a small social circle of business and family contacts. I noticed that Pricilla married a Golborne whose father was from Holt in Denbighshire just the other side of Wrexham from Ruabon.  Bethell would be an easier target than Edwards I guess it would be from a wealthy godparent, but it might be a maternal aunt. Flintshire and that part of Denbighshire are pretty close together. People who were Methodist (Chapel) in poverty often became Anglican (Church) in prosperity!
Peter
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Re: Eleack??? Northumberland
« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 11 February 09 10:18 UTC (UK) »

Hi Peter, I have been trolling through the registers and looking for anything that relates to W Sharp.  I don't think Sharp & Co is him unless he separated  from them in the late 1840's ( and there is a newspaper entry  around then of a W. Sharp no longer part of the company Sharp & Co who were a merchant company) but I have found some more of his ships...The New Zealander (which was burnt and sunk in Victoria Australia, The Victoria  ( there is an article about this ship being the unlucky one that brought him undone and led to his bankruptcy and premature death), The Reliance and The Briton.  The registers are great because William's daughter Margaret married Charles Smith, son of William ...master mariner in Weymouth.  Now I can find ships that he may have been associated with, although the name Smith is very common so I guess I cannot be certain that Capt W Smith is my W Smith.
Margaret
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Re: Eleack??? Northumberland
« Reply #36 on: Thursday 12 February 09 19:46 UTC (UK) »

Hello Margaret,
You are quite right about the Sharps of Sharp & Co. The parners were two brothers John Sharp of Gateshead and Robert Sharp of Sunderland who inherited connections in the coal shipping business. I looked up their Tyne and Wear registered ships in Christies Shipping Annual on Google books. No sign of a William in the family.
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Re: Eleack??? Northumberland
« Reply #37 on: Tuesday 19 May 09 18:16 UTC (UK) »

Hello again Margaret,
A correspondent to the mariners-L website has been in touch saying that he has been researching William Sharp and has information on the ships and voyages. Are you still interested in that aspect? He signs himself Thomas Tompkins Ph D and his e-mail identity as Tantallon.
Peter
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Re: Eleack??? Northumberland
« Reply #38 on: Monday 15 June 09 04:44 UTC (UK) »

Hi Peter,
Yes I am , thank you.  Sorry it has taken me a couple of weeks to reply but I was doing a family history research holiday in UK.  Checked out William Sharps property in Birkenhead...he owned quite a deal of property and went bankrupt in 1852. But yes I am definitely still looking into his life.
THanks
Margaret
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peter brownlee
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Re: Eleack??? Northumberland
« Reply #39 on: Thursday 18 June 09 21:58 UTC (UK) »

Hello Margaret,
Dr Thomas Tomkins e mail address is Moderator Comment: email address removed  to prevent spam and other abuse.  Please use our personal message system to exchange such data.  
 He has a piece on the Victoria and its dodgy master John Carphin which is his particular interest, at www.maritimeheritage.org/captains/carphinJohn. You notice he mentioned the goldfields' attraction to ships crews as a factor. He has promised to send some further information.
Peter
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peter brownlee
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Re: Eleack??? Northumberland
« Reply #40 on: Friday 19 June 09 19:00 UTC (UK) »

Hello again Margaret,
What details Dr Tompkins has of the Sharp family you probably have already, the dates of birth marriages and deaths, also the date of the Clifton estate conveyance 27th Aug 1841 and the bankruptcy notice of 28th May 1852. He also has an e-file of 30plus paintings by Alfred Sharp.

Peter
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