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truebritmega
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I think ive got it!
I have the 1881 census on an LDS disk and i looked at the neighbours, it reads the household of 103 like this
Patrick MURRAY M 47 M Dublin, Ireland
Rel: Head
Occ: Puddler
Sarah MURRAY M 46 F Walsall, Stafford, England
Rel: Wife
John MURRAY 3 M Bilston, Stafford, England
George GREEN M 31 M Bilston, Stafford, England
Rel: Son In Law (Head)
Occ: Ironworker Shingler
Mary A. GREEN M 20 F Bilston, Stafford, England
Rel: Daur (Wife)
Richard S. GREEN 1 M Bilston, Stafford, England
So from that, I assume that My Mary Ann... who was married to a Mr Green, and Patrick and Sarah Murray were her parents?
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Tati
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OK, I think I've got it.
It seems Mary Ann wasn't a Murray after all. There doesn't seem to be a (Mary Ann/Ann) Murray marriage to George Green, and also I found it odd that Patrick and Sarah have a young son age 4 on the 1881 census, but no other children in the age range between Mary Ann and this little John.
Look at this - check out the address and compare with 1881
1871
RG10/2953 69 3
Bilston, Staffordshire
103 Wolverhampton St
Sarah Hill, head, wid, 36, Formerly Laundress, b. Bilston
Dennis Hill, son, 14, Coal Miner, b. do.
Alfred A Hill, son, 13, Coal Miner, b. do.
Mary A Hill, dau, 9, scholar, b. do.
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Patsey Murray, lodger, unm, 36, Puddler in Iron Works, b. Ireland Dublin
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Tati
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There's a George Green to possibly Mary Ann Hill marriage in Dudley district, Sep 1879. Not where we expected them, but not that far away ... Unfortunately it's not on West Midlands BMD therefore we can't be sure they married each other and where exactly it took place.
So it seems Mary Ann was Mary Ann Hill, really, and her father was Sarah Hill's husband, whose name was Alfred as this 1861 census shows (just before before Mary Ann was born)
1861
RG9/2008 37 18
Bilston, Staffordshire
Alfred Hill, head, 32, Coal Miner, b. Bilston
Sarah, wife, 29, b. do.
Henery, son, 12, scholar, b. do.
Denis, son, 5, scholar, b. do.
Aron, son, 2, b. do.
An Alfred Hill dies Sep 1864 Wolverhampton 6b 313
Are you still following me? 
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Tati
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So - trying to find out Sarah's maiden name now. The only Alfred Hill to a Sarah marriage in Wolverhampton district I can find is:
Jun 1849 Wolverhampton 17 375
Alfred Hill to either Sarah Clee, Sarah Hinks or Sarah Holmes
The 1851 census tells us which 
1851
HO107/2021 686 36
Bilston, Staffordshire
Wolverhampton Street
Aaron Holmes, head, 58, Stone Miner, b. Bilston
Margaret, wife, 49, b. Wolverhampton
Aaron, son, 21, Stone miner, b. Walsall
Amelia, dau, 16, Banks girl, b. do.
Rosanna, dau, 14, b. do.
John, son, 8, b. do.
Alfred Hill, lodger son in law, mar, 21, Stone Miner, b. Worcester Stamford?
Sarah Hill, wife, 19, b. Stafford Walsall
Henry Hill, grandson, 1, b. Bilston
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truebritmega
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hmmm lol, wel... your doing really well, but... im lost? lol... so the murrays arent... marys fam at all? my greens just happenned to live in the same house in 1881?
Tries getting my head around it lol
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truebritmega
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and still tho no marriage of a mary ann... to a william tolley? so the ann green is still mary ann green?
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truebritmega
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George Green
Marriages:
Spouse: Mary Ann Hill
17 AUG 1879 Ettingshall, Stafford, England !!!!
Ettingshall!<< Bilston!!!
Father: Richard Green
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truebritmega
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ahhh lol ty, got it now lol, thank you, not just for the help, but for your patience with me today (i know i aint always easy lol)
so now I have my great gran found! (mary ann) and also my great great grandparents! (sarah hill/murray and alfred hill)
thank you so much!!!
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truebritmega
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wow! we're on a roll here huh? lol I did see one alfred hill birth on IGI, as a stamford, but its licoln? there was also a sarah holmes marriage there in lincoln to another man so i guess thats not her... there is also an alfred hill birth there,
Alfred Hill B: 26 Jul 1835
Worcester, Worces., England
which also carries his line on further, but im not sure hes Our alfred birth either?
Well done with the Holes! (I keep going to type her as Homes lol )
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truebritmega
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oops at my holes lol...
but, I just looked at the Holmes on the wolverhampton site and as it has her parents names I took a look for John and Margaret and there is... one for a John Law and a Margaret Turner, marriage, 1st march 1792 ! sounds like the right year huh? watcha think? damn I cant believe how far this line is going! thank god they have names like Holmes and Law and not my name! (Smith) LOL
and yes I guess getting the actual cert is the only sure way to get Alfred
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