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Re: Florence Cartwright -Robert Dines (Dynes)
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 18 June 09 16:17 UTC (UK) »

For some reason Wilfrid/Wilfred Holden's death on CWGC seems to be recorded as J.H. Holden (the other details all match those found above by posteria):

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=602283
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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Re: Florence Cartwright -Robert Dines (Dynes)
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 18 June 09 16:20 UTC (UK) »

I wonder what an Orchardist is?

A person who farms/cultivates an orchard, I expect.  Not a million miles from the occupation of "farmer" on Robert I. Dines' 1920 emigration record (on which, incidentally, there is no Florence Dines listed).

There's no obvious evidence to suggest that Florence and Robert married or even met in England - they might have found each other Down Under...
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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Re: Florence Cartwright -Robert Dines (Dynes)
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 18 June 09 16:24 UTC (UK) »

Posteria
Thanks again, for some reason when looking for Wilfred Holden on Freebmd I could not find the marriage, but 'Hey Presto' looking for Florence there it was.
Henery
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Re: Florence Cartwright -Robert Dines (Dynes)
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 18 June 09 16:32 UTC (UK) »

when looking for Wilfred Holden on Freebmd I could not find the marriage, but 'Hey Presto' looking for Florence there it was.


Perhaps you typed in Wilfred - he's down as Wilfrid

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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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Re: Florence Cartwright -Robert Dines (Dynes)
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 18 June 09 17:27 UTC (UK) »

Thanks anna for repliy
when looking for Wilfred Holden on Freebmd I could not find the marriage, but 'Hey Presto' looking for Florence there it was.


Perhaps you typed in Wilfred - he's down as Wilfrid

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Re: Florence Cartwright -Robert Dines (Dynes)
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 18 June 09 18:22 UTC (UK) »

On 31/03/1925 Florence Dines (age shown as 36) returned to Australia. She travelled on the "Hobsons Bay" from London to Melbourne. Her occupation is given as “Home Duties” and her last address in UK was “Rothsay”, Chandler’s Ford, Southampton - which seems to confirm that the lady who arrived in 1924 was the correct person.

Incidentally, Robert Imrie Dines does appear on the 1901 census with his parents and two siblings but on Ancestry (everyone will be amazed to learn) their surname has been mistranscribed. They all suffered from a case of transposed vowels. According to the census, he was born in Kilburn.

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Re: Florence Cartwright -Robert Dines (Dynes)
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 18 June 09 18:48 UTC (UK) »

On 8th February 1922 a Mrs Florence Holden (shown as aged 33) sailed from London to Melbourne on the “Berrima”. Her last address in UK is given as Manor Farm, Squirrels Heath, Romford.

This might not be the correct lady but she seems to be the only possible “fit” on the passenger lists that I can see.

The Dines family were living in Romford in 1901 but they were all in Dartford, Kent in 1911.

If this is the correct lady, then we would need to find a marriage in Australia from 1922 to 1924 inclusive.

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Re: Florence Cartwright -Robert Dines (Dynes)
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 18 June 09 19:30 UTC (UK) »

 
On 9th June 1949, a Florence Dines, Widow, aged 65 sailed from London to Melbourne on the “Strathaird“. Her last address in UK is shown as Carinja, Berrynarbor (wherever that might be ?).

This could possibly be your lady and I have not found a record of her coming back, as yet.

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Re: Florence Cartwright -Robert Dines (Dynes)
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 18 June 09 20:19 UTC (UK) »

Posteria, Berrynabor is near Ilfracombe, Devon.

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Re: Florence Cartwright -Robert Dines (Dynes)
« Reply #24 on: Friday 19 June 09 13:47 UTC (UK) »

Hello Dee

Thank you. That information seems to bear out what henery thought ...

Florence is believed to have lived in Devon maybe after death of Robert who may have died in an aircrash.

henery

Two DH9 machines crashed over Melbourne on 21/04/1927 killing four RAAF personnel, including Flight Lieutenant R I Dines. Some digitised documents relating to the crash can be found on the following site ....

http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx

.... by choosing "Search Now" and then entering Crash over Melbourne in the "Keywords" box and 1927 in the "Dates" box and then clicking on "Search". (There are probably several other ways to get to the documents but the method outlined does work).

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Re: Florence Cartwright -Robert Dines (Dynes)
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 18:48 UTC (UK) »

Hello posteria
You seem to have located Florence correctly. Ilfracombe North Devon is the last known family memory.
Thanks Dee for your contribution re: Berrynabor. 

The Naa.au. site you gave gives details of evidence to the Enquiry commission.
Thanks for all your efforts in this involved investigation involving two continents.
Henery Smiley Smiley
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