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heywood
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 17 June 09 21:27 UTC (UK) »
Yes I agree Mum.

I think that there are possibly answers or clues here which are being missed because of the pace of the thread.

I was just going to advise that you take a breather and write down the different families as far as you have got when Mum posted. (She's always reading my mind  Grin)

Do you have access to all the censuses Dave?

If so, it's daft that we are all searching at once and writing down the same info.
I know that lots of us on here, Mum and I especially like a challenge so once you have some questions we are really pleased to help.

At the moment I'm trying to look for Agnes/Caroline  Undecided

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Alexander, Suffolk and Lancashire; Ashworth,Whitworth, Grindrod Lancashire; Golden, Duffy County Mayo.
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 17 June 09 21:28 UTC (UK) »
Sorry  Grin Carried away in my enthusiasm.
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Davidjnr
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 17 June 09 21:47 UTC (UK) »
I have checked the 1880 census and agree the name has changed which is unusual. Generally I have found small errors in census such as Emm rather than Emily, Elixa rather than Emily.

What is very interesting the the Corfu link!

Many on my fathers side are very dark skinned/tanned and a family tale has always been that they originate from Gypsys!

What do you think?
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heywood
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 17 June 09 22:02 UTC (UK) »
A birth certificate from a child born to 'Agnes' and one born to 'Caroline' would give you their maiden names.

Agnes and William's marriage certificate would confirm her father and his occupation.

The Corfu link may be an error but it does appear on both - her father may have been in Armed Forces perhaps or similar.

I'm perhaps off to bed now ... sort out where you need to go next.

goodnight.
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 17 June 09 22:25 UTC (UK) »
Thanks everyone. I hope people can help me more with this lineage...
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Mum44
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 17 June 09 22:45 UTC (UK) »


I do agree with Heywood,  Dave,  that you really need to set some of this, with certificates, and the two suggested would be good places to start   Smiley

Which of William's children is your direct ancestor ?  He or she would be an excellent place to start, and get the birth certificate   Smiley

I have been looking for a possible death for Agnes and re-marriage of William to Caroline between 1891 and 1901  -  I'll get back to it in the morning   Smiley   Need to check earlier censuses before committing   Smiley
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heywood
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 17 June 09 23:03 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: heywood on Wednesday 17 June 09 22:02 UTC (UK)
A birth certificate from a child born to 'Agnes' and one born to 'Caroline' would give you their maiden names.

Agnes and William's marriage certificate would confirm her father and his occupation.

The Corfu link may be an error but it does appear on both - her father may have been in Armed Forces perhaps or similar.

I'm perhaps off to bed now ... sort out where you need to go next.

goodnight.

I've just been reminded that the children were all possibly born before Caroline enters the scene ... sorry I was thinking she turned up in 1891  Roll Eyes
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Alexander, Suffolk and Lancashire; Ashworth,Whitworth, Grindrod Lancashire; Golden, Duffy County Mayo.
suzard
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 17 June 09 23:31 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: Mum44 on Wednesday 17 June 09 19:28 UTC (UK)
Quote from: Davidjnr on Wednesday 17 June 09 19:01 UTC (UK)
Quote from: suzard on Wednesday 17 June 09 18:43 UTC (UK)
marriage freeBMD
Jun qtr 1883
Manchester
Thomas Ronbinson
mary Gough
8d 333

1891 stepson John Gough age 9 is with the family


Mary's son  - she was either married before, or the lad was illigitimate Undecided

The marriage certificate will say whether she was a widow or spinster   Wink
Suz

Why a stepson? Any idea?

Soorry  -  sticky keys   Roll Eyes

John was Mary's son  -  either she was married previously or the lad was illigitimate   Undecided    Their marriage certificate will tell you whether she was a widow or a spinster   Wink
Possibly mary Gough 's maiden name was Whyatt

1881 censs has mary Gough withfather William Whyatt (and John gough who is possibly her 1st husband
RG11 3986 24 41

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heywood
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #38 on: Thursday 18 June 09 00:03 UTC (UK) »
Agnes/Caroline

We should really be more observant.

1901 - immediately above William Taylor is .... Caroline Ferguson widow 73 yrs born Portsmouth in the home of George and Sarah Oliver.

1891  RG12; Piece: 3164; Folio 129; Page 1
Didsbury (Chorlton Union Schools)
Caroline Ferguson (transcribed Fergueson) Inmate widow 67 yrs charwoman b Portsmouth

1881 RG11; Piece: 3902; Folio: 118; Page: 21
Gorton
Caroline Ferguson 52 yrs  b Portsmouth
David Ferguson 26 yrs son Striker b Ireland

1871 RG10; Piece: 4390; Folio: 12; Page: 17
Halifax
Caroline Liley married 39 yrs Cloth Finisher b Hampshire N K
David Ferguson 17 yrs Striker b Ireland
Agnes Ferguson 13 yrs Worsted Spinner b Yorkshire Halifax
are lodgers
(not quite Corfu  Roll Eyes)

No idea if Caroline Liley is Ferguson but imagine she is - why Liley???

Added: Marriage 1863 Dewsbury possible spouses Caroline Ferguson and George Liley  Cheesy

Can't see the Fergusons in 1861

1851 HO107; Piece: 2190; Folio: 626; Page: 21
in barracks Everton

Caroline Fargason married 22 yrs wife of Private Ferguson b Portsmouth
John Ferguson 1 yr son of Private Ferguson b Kent

Marriage 1849 Portsea

Possible spouses- John Ferguson and Caroline Worthington

Can't see them in 1861- perhaps abroad in Ireland (David) and Corfu (Agnes)

so.. in view of the above, I would say that Agnes/Caroline are probably the same person. Phew  Shocked

and I was going to go to bed  Grin
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #39 on: Thursday 18 June 09 06:51 UTC (UK) »
So for my clarification:


So William Taylor married Caroline Agnes Ferguson!
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« Reply #40 on: Thursday 18 June 09 07:57 UTC (UK) »
The internet connection started playing up last night so couldn't follow this through. I did find a possible for Agnes/Caroline last night in the 1911 for Chorlton, but wasn't sure if it was the same family and didn't have time to follow it up.

Agnes born 1858
George 1884
William 1886

A Margrate born 1888, who is probably married to George or William and various children.

RD464 SD2 ED86

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« Reply #41 on: Thursday 18 June 09 08:42 UTC (UK) »
Almost forgot, Ester born 1895 is also there.

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Davidjnr
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #42 on: Thursday 18 June 09 09:26 UTC (UK) »
Very confusing.

I know for a fact the 1901 census is right as Tom Taylor was 8 and born in 1893.

His parents were William Taylor and Caroline Taylor.

Would the birth certificate of Tom confirm Carolines maiden name?

In your experience when do you think she was born?

Who are her parents?

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Mum44
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #43 on: Thursday 18 June 09 10:59 UTC (UK) »

Dave  -  yes  -  Tom's birth certificate is  an essential  Smiley

It will give you his mother's name and maiden name.

Is the only evidence you have that his mother's name was Caroline the record on the 1901 census ?

As Heywood and Derek have found,  in previous and following census records she used the name Agnes.  She seems on all census records to have been born c. 1858  -  quite where is as yet unknown.

Her name may have been Agnes.  Just Agnes, no Caroline.  William married Agnes Ferguson (already found) 

You need to get Tom's birth certificate   Cheesy

There are a number of possible reasons why her name appears as Caroline in 1901  -  most likely being an error by the enumerator  Smiley 
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #44 on: Thursday 18 June 09 11:13 UTC (UK) »
Yea just the census
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