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heywood
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #45 on: Thursday 18 June 09 11:20 UTC (UK) »

So for my clarification:


So William Taylor married Caroline Agnes Ferguson!

Hello Dave,
I think so from what I found last night- I wonder if she was Caroline Agnes but called Agnes because her mother was the Caroline in the family- then though she calls her daughter Caroline  Huh

1911 does have a Tom Taylor born 1893 living Chorlton but then doing a 'other persons' search doesn't show anyone we know.

There are births on Free BMD for Thomas Taylor 1893 both Chorlton and Manchester but not Tom.

By the way, am I the only one who was excited by the Ferguson finds?  Roll Eyes

heywood  Wink

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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #46 on: Thursday 18 June 09 11:59 UTC (UK) »

John Ferguson (Agnes' father?) was in the 91st Regiment of Foot and became at least a sergeant. From what I can gather browsing around it was a Highland Regiment which would fit with the name Ferguson.

David Ferguson (Agnes' brother?) was admitted to the Royal Military Asylum - the school in Chelsea for children of soliders.

http://www.rma-searcher.co.uk/Chelsea/index.htm
http://www.rma-searcher.co.uk/chelsea/RPDF/RMALINE/91st.pdf

This site
http://website.lineone.net/~remosliema/Ionian1.htm

lists an Agnes Fergusson born Cephalonia but unlike the record re David, I would be cautious with this.

Browsing around though does give some interesting info re the Army in those times.
How interesting this has become, although I fear we have moved away a bit from your primary aim.  Cheesy

I hope it is useful to you.
heywood
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Mum44
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #47 on: Thursday 18 June 09 12:24 UTC (UK) »



By the time you found them last night, Heywood, I was about half asleep and getting more fuddled by the minute  Embarrassed  Grin  Grin

But  -  yes - that is an excellent find  Grin  Well done   Grin

The living next door syndrome  Roll Eyes  As you say - often missed  Embarrassed

And the marriage of Agnes' parents   Cheesy  And father's occupation   Cheesy

Quite a haul  -  sorry I didn't appreciate it at the time   Embarrassed  Cry
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heywood
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #48 on: Thursday 18 June 09 12:27 UTC (UK) »

I tell you Mum I was so excited - finished at 2.00am- so much for going to bed  Grin
It is interesting re the Army things too from today.
I wonder if I should get a life  Roll Eyes
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #49 on: Thursday 18 June 09 12:30 UTC (UK) »

Wow,

Can you please explain how you traced agnes's father?

As a further help who are/were agnes parents and willaims parents?
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heywood
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #50 on: Thursday 18 June 09 12:44 UTC (UK) »

David, (proper name)

Have you read that long post I did in the early hours of the morning  Roll Eyes

It details how I think Caroline and John Ferguson are the parents of Agnes (plus John and David Ferguson).
1) Caroline is next door to William and Caroline/Agnes
2) Traced her through her place of birth back through censuses.
3) 1851 confirms my theory that Army is involved.
4) Possible marriage in 1849.

I must stress that all this is not confirmed in the sense of certification but is substantiated by census entries and now an Army reference.

There is a possible Caroline Worthington in 1841 census by the way.

I know we keep saying it but you really need certificates - the marriage cert of William Taylor and Agnes Ferguson would give their fathers' names.

regards
heywood  Cheesy

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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #51 on: Thursday 18 June 09 12:48 UTC (UK) »

Ha ha going to order them today, when I receive them I'll let you all know.
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heywood
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #52 on: Thursday 18 June 09 12:50 UTC (UK) »

we await with bated breath  Grin

(all my theorising may go out of the window then  Roll Eyes)
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #53 on: Thursday 18 June 09 12:59 UTC (UK) »



I have been looking for William  Undecided

At the moment, I can't see him in 1861, but in 1871 there's a William age 16 born Northwich. lodging in Altrincham.  He seems to be with two other William Taylors - one age 60 and one age 37, the younger a Hawker and "our" William is shown in the occupation column as "son of above"

Again  -  William's marriage certificate will confirm the name and occupation of his father  Cheesy
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #54 on: Friday 19 June 09 09:39 UTC (UK) »

Are you saying that Caroline Agnes Ferguson and William Taylor lived next door to her parents Caroline an John Ferguson? Any idea of the mothers maiden name if will this hve to wait until I get the birth certificate?

David, (proper name)

Have you read that long post I did in the early hours of the morning  Roll Eyes

It details how I think Caroline and John Ferguson are the parents of Agnes (plus John and David Ferguson).
1) Caroline is next door to William and Caroline/Agnes
2) Traced her through her place of birth back through censuses.
3) 1851 confirms my theory that Army is involved.
4) Possible marriage in 1849.

I must stress that all this is not confirmed in the sense of certification but is substantiated by census entries and now an Army reference.

There is a possible Caroline Worthington in 1841 census by the way.

I know we keep saying it but you really need certificates - the marriage cert of William Taylor and Agnes Ferguson would give their fathers' names.

regards
heywood  Cheesy


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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #55 on: Friday 19 June 09 10:12 UTC (UK) »

No, she is saying the widow Caroline is living next to William and Agnes Taylor in 1901.

As Kath said yesterday

David, (proper name)

Have you read that long post I did in the early hours of the morning  Roll Eyes


This is the post:

Agnes/Caroline

We should really be more observant.

1901 - immediately above William Taylor is .... Caroline Ferguson widow 73 yrs born Portsmouth in the home of George and Sarah Oliver.

1891  RG12; Piece: 3164; Folio 129; Page 1
Didsbury (Chorlton Union Schools)
Caroline Ferguson (transcribed Fergueson) Inmate widow 67 yrs charwoman b Portsmouth

1881 RG11; Piece: 3902; Folio: 118; Page: 21
Gorton
Caroline Ferguson 52 yrs  b Portsmouth
David Ferguson 26 yrs son Striker b Ireland

1871 RG10; Piece: 4390; Folio: 12; Page: 17
Halifax
Caroline Liley married 39 yrs Cloth Finisher b Hampshire N K
David Ferguson 17 yrs Striker b Ireland
Agnes Ferguson 13 yrs Worsted Spinner b Yorkshire Halifax
are lodgers
(not quite Corfu  Roll Eyes)

No idea if Caroline Liley is Ferguson but imagine she is - why Liley???

Added: Marriage 1863 Dewsbury possible spouses Caroline Ferguson and George Liley  Cheesy

Can't see the Fergusons in 1861

1851 HO107; Piece: 2190; Folio: 626; Page: 21
in barracks Everton

Caroline Fargason married 22 yrs wife of Private Ferguson b Portsmouth
John Ferguson 1 yr son of Private Ferguson b Kent

Marriage 1849 Portsea

Possible spouses- John Ferguson and Caroline Worthington

Can't see them in 1861- perhaps abroad in Ireland (David) and Corfu (Agnes)

so.. in view of the above, I would say that Agnes/Caroline are probably the same person. Phew  Shocked

and I was going to go to bed  Grin
heywood
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #56 on: Friday 19 June 09 13:27 UTC (UK) »

Has anyone found the marriage of William and agnes?
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #57 on: Friday 19 June 09 13:44 UTC (UK) »

3) William Taylor B: about 1857, Northwich, Cheshire, England married to Caroline ? B: about 1858, Northwich, Cheshire, England.

I haven't found a marriage to Caroline, but I think he was married to Agnes in 1891.

1880 Agnes FERGUSON Manchester, Gorton, St. James


Class: RG11; Piece: 3902; Folio: 72; Page: 22
Class: RG12; Piece: 3171; Folio 136; Page 18
Class: RG13; Piece: 3688; Folio: 66; Page: 26

Deryck

Dave  -  Derek found this marriage yesterday   Roll Eyes

Are you making notes of what we are finding   Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

You are asking questions we have already found the answers to  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes   Cheesy
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #58 on: Friday 19 June 09 14:28 UTC (UK) »

Sorry yes I do take notes ha ha lots

it was just that I was confused by the post.

I have found the 1880 marriage but nothing in 1891!
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #59 on: Friday 19 June 09 14:34 UTC (UK) »



Smiley 

I think Derek means that on the 1891 census he was married to Agnes  Wink
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