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Davidjnr
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Lancashire BMD has the marriage of William Wyatt and Deborah Wild 1840- Manchester Collegiate Church.
Is that July-aug-sept 1840 volume20 504
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heywood
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I would say that it is the marriage- wondered where Jamaica came from 
Dave,
you really need to get that marriage certificate for Thomas Robinson and Mary Gough so that you know who you are looking for- it will give you Thomas' status (bachelor or widower), his father's name and their occupations.
Otherwise, as we have all done at some time or another, you will end up going down the wrong road with your ancestors.
Now, what I am going to write, is all speculation but it does make some sense but you must get that certificate to validate anything
1901 - Thomas is a Carter
1891 - Thomas is a Carter with a son Thomas born 1878
1881- RG11; Piece: 3987; Folio: 78; Page: 8
Thomas Robinson b 1852 (carter) married to Margaret (36 yrs) with a son Thomas 3 yrs b 1878
1876 Marriage St Andrews Ancoats
Thomas Robinson to Margaret Buckley/Grounds
1857 Marriage Luke Buckley to Margaret Grounds
1861 Luke and Margaret Buckley in census with son William
1870 Death : Luke Buckley 33 yrs
1871 Margaret Buckley is a widow with her son William Buckley
1876 marriage as above (Thomas and Margaret)
Free BMD death December 1881 Margaret Robinson 43 yrs
I know the ages are out a bit for both Thomas and Margaret but as there is quite an age gap between them - he could have said he was older and she younger
Lastly 1871 RG10; Piece: 3985; Folio: 62; Page: 23
has a Thomas 18 yrs Carter with parents William and Mary.
Now if you got the certificate- it would tell you if his father was William.
I can't stress enough that all this is just perhaps 
heywood
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Davidjnr
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Where is the cheapest place to get those two records ?
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Davidjnr
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Any-idea where I can locate Nancy Goodwin's Birth Certificate?
I can see three on Free BMD between 1850 and 1856. Which would you all agree is the most possible option?
1850 Q2 in MacClesfield, Cheshire, Derbyshire has a record.
1858 Q1 in Belper, Derbyshire has a record.
1856 Q3 in Leek, Staffordshire has a record.
Help!
I am looking for he exact birth certificate to order to determine her father and mothers names occupations and have limited funds.
Davidjnr
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heywood
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Hi Dave,
This thread is getting very congested with all the different strands of your family.
It would have been better to perhaps try to split them but I don't know if that would be possible or how it could be done. So, in the meantime using the technique that we have mentioned before- that is- looking back over the censuses... and you could do this yourself as you have access 
1891 RG12; Piece: 3175; Folio 24; Page 41
Nancy Holt 33 yrs born Matlock
1881 RG11; Piece: 4042; Folio: 123; Page: 27
Nancey Holt 23 yrs born Tideswell
1871 RG10; Piece: 4060; Folio: 31; Page: 1
Nancy Goodwin 18 yrs born Worksworth a servant living Bradford, Manchester (am reasonably sure that this is her even though the age is wrong)
1861 RG9; Piece: 2968; Folio: 91; Page: 52
Nancy Goodwin 3 yrs born Wirksworth living Bradford Manchester with parents Richard and Hannah.
As her first daughter is also called Hannah - this looks good.
She is the only Nancy born around the right time and also living in Bradford is also good.
If you click on Belper in Free BMD, you can get a list of the area and Wirksworth is included there.
However, a note of caution- Nancy is a dimutive of Ann/Hannah and there is also a birth for Hannah Goodwin in Belper- same year.
The marriage details would give you her father's name and then you would be able to verify her parents.
best wishes
heywood
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Davidjnr
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First of all apologies for the thread that jumps between three branches of my tree. It was one of my first posts and in hindsight even I have got confused or missed answers to my queries. I now know to keep it simple :-)
Today I am going to order several marriage and birth certificates which many of you have recommended and the results of these when I receive them will be posted on separate threads leaving this for just Robert and Nancy
So I can definitively trace Nancy's parentage I need to order the marriage certificate of Nancy Goodwin and Robert Holt to confirm parents and occupations:
1881 RG11 page 3902. page 72, page 22.
Sound good?
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heywood
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Oh dear Dave,
As you say, it's early days
That 1881 reference is for William and Agnes Taylor.
Check back with this thread, I am sure you have been given the various marriage references.
You, yourself, can check these too on Free BMD and some, if not all, are on Lancashire BMD.
If you are sending to GRO for the certs you need the reference from Free BMD with registration area, volume and page.
One other thing, if you still live in the Manchester area, you would be able to look the marriages up at the Central Library. There are microfilms there from the various churches - and certainly the Collegiate Church (Cathedral) films are there. That would be free and would give you as much info as a certificate- names/occupations/witnesses.
I know that at the moment you are incapacitated but it is worth noting for future reference.
heywood
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heywood
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righto - here is a summary of each part of initial query - minus the Taylors
1) Robert Holt B: 1855, Clayton, Lancashire, England married to Nancy or Nancey B: about 1858 Matlock, Derbyshire, England. I am not sure what year they got married but do know they had children named Martha, William, George, Hannah and John. Can anyone tell me Nancy's maiden name so I can continue forward and if so how they did it?
Marriage: June 8th 1876 Christ Church Bradford Manchester
Robert Holt 21 yrs bachelor; labourer; 8 Edwards Buildings Clayton
Father: John Holt labourer
Nancy Goodwin 18 yrs Spinster; 15 Victoria Street Bradford Manchester
Father: Richard Goodwin , labourer.
both couples signed their own names
Witnesses: Samuel Lingard and Mary Elizabeth Smith (her mark).
So Dave, you can now begin to look through censuses to identify Robert and Nancy in earlier ones. (look at my earlier post re 1861 and Nancy with parents Richard and Hannah).
John Unwin B: 1857 in Macclesfield, Cheshire, England married to Elizabeth ? B: 1868 in Ashton, Lancashire, England. Again I can't seem to locate their wedding date but do know they had children Martha Ann, George, John, Thomas and Ann as I have got a family photo. He later remarried Sarah ? 1856 in Hulme, Manchester, Lancashire, England and had three children to her. Again I can't locate Sarah's maiden name and its driving me insane.
We did establish that the brides are the other way round- Sarah first then Elizabeth.
1) Marriage: February 21st 1876 St James Gorton
John Unwin 19 yrs Bachelor; a Smith ; Residence Gorton
Father: George Unwin; Banksman.
Sarah Lucy Jones 22 yrs Spinster; a Winder ; residence Gorton
Father: David Jones; a Smith
both signed own names
Witnesses: Frederick Jones and Mary Goodwin
2) Marriage 24th November 1890 All Saints Gorton
John Unwin 33 yrs Widower; a Carter 22 McCormack (?) Street
Father: George Unwin; Foreman (?)
Eliza Getliffe 23 yrs Spinster ; Piecer; same address
Father: John Getliffe ; Carder
both signes own names
Witnesses: Joseph Saunders (?) and Mary Ann San.... (her mark)
Again you can now look them up Dave in earlier censuses
Lastly Thomas Robinson B: about 1855 in Manchester, Lancashire, England married a Mary E ? B: about 1855, Manchester, Lancashire, England.
Marriage: June 24th 1883 St Andrews Ancoats
Thomas Robinson 29 yrs Widower a Carter 15 Charold (??) St/Chabel St (?)
Father: Daniel Robinson ; Carter
Mary Gough 29 yrs Widow; doubler; 28 Berry Street
Father: William Wyatt Dyer
he signed- she made her mark
Witnesses; James Taylor and Sarah Robinson -both made their mark.
Marriage: September 19th 1840 Collegiate Church
William Wyatt full age Bachelor a Dyer 12 Foundry Lane Smedley
Father: Samuel Wyatt a Logwood Grinder
Deborah Wild full age Spinster
Father: John Wild a Leather dresser
both made mark
Witnesses: Elizabeth Gee and Elizabeth Ashworth both made their mark.
Dave,
if you are going to further look at these families, it would be best to have separate posts and cross reference with this one. You could add that you have them in censuses after marriage so that people won't double up on information.
heywood
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Davidjnr
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Thank you and lots of hugs and kisses again :-)
Just don't tell your husband.
In all sincerity thank you for your journey into Manchester Central Library and your research when you could have been out in the sun in Manchester.
All of you thank you.
If I get into trouble at a later date I will do as suggested and seperated the posts.
Take care all!
Davidjnr
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Davidjnr
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Ha ha tell him he is a lucky man!
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Davidjnr
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righto - here is a summary of each part of initial query - minus the Taylors
1) Robert Holt B: 1855, Clayton, Lancashire, England married to Nancy or Nancey B: about 1858 Matlock, Derbyshire, England. I am not sure what year they got married but do know they had children named Martha, William, George, Hannah and John. Can anyone tell me Nancy's maiden name so I can continue forward and if so how they did it?
Marriage: June 8th 1876 Christ Church Bradford Manchester
Robert Holt 21 yrs bachelor; labourer; 8 Edwards Buildings Clayton
Father: John Holt labourer
Nancy Goodwin 18 yrs Spinster; 15 Victoria Street Bradford Manchester
Father: Richard Goodwin , labourer.
both couples signed their own names
Witnesses: Samuel Lingard and Mary Elizabeth Smith (her mark).
So Dave, you can now begin to look through censuses to identify Robert and Nancy in earlier ones. (look at my earlier post re 1861 and Nancy with parents Richard and Hannah).
Fantastic, Was able to locate marriage no problem with both parties named:
The year of registration in 1876 and the quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun as detailed above,
Marriage district was Prestwich and volume volume:8d and page: 524
Thank You!
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) I am going to post the William Taylor family on the thread which Dave started re Tom Taylor (the son).
