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Davidjnr
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #60 on: Friday 19 June 09 14:55 UTC (UK) »

Completely lost how the everton connection in barracks was found!

Can someone explain?
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #61 on: Friday 19 June 09 15:05 UTC (UK) »



Heywood knew from the censuses that Caroline Ferguson was born c. 1829 Portsmouth.

So - she entered Caroline Ferguson b. 1829, Hampshire, Portsmouth in the 1851. 

The nearest match is transcribed Farguson, but looking on the actual image it is clearly Ferguson  Smiley

(at least, that's what I would have done, and it works - so I assume that's how Heywood did it  Cheesy )
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #62 on: Friday 19 June 09 15:25 UTC (UK) »

Hello everyone,
Glad to know that you've all been here whilst I have been working (my one day a week!).

Now Dave,
I thought you had access to the censuses. Look at the 1901 which you have referred to and you will see that Caroline Ferguson is above your family.

Then as Mum said, and I think I already said, when we are doing these searches you start with the given information and see where it gets you. So, going off Caroline snr's birth details, I went through the censuses. Sometimes, we have to be a bit creative in interpreting spellings etc. but very often it is quite apparent that the same person can be traced.

That is how I arrived at my conclusions but that is not to say that they are correct.  Grin

As Deryck has also said, it is really important that you read and take on the information that people send you. Sometimes, it is better to write it down (I quite like diagrams to connect people) but each to their own way of understanding information.

If you have full access to the censuses, it would be a really good exercise to track someone through.

Sometimes, though, because of errors etc, it is necessary to search by a selection of the criteria e.g. first name, second name, birth year, place of birth etc because entering the whole information may result in nothing.

Hope you are understanding this a bit better- we all love to help but you do need to read what is already provided and then, by all means, ask the questions.  Wink

Thanks Mum and Deryck for the support... as usual  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

heywood
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #63 on: Sunday 21 June 09 11:46 UTC (UK) »

So many Williams in 1881 census. Is the only way to trace him to this year through his birth certificate?
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #64 on: Sunday 21 June 09 12:01 UTC (UK) »

Hello Dave,
when you get the marriage certificate for William and Agnes, it should give you his father's name and his father's occupation.
Then you would be able to do a search in the censuses using that information.
You would also have the relevant info for his birth certificate.

That's how it should happen anyway.  Cheesy

heywood


PS did I read on another thread that you were involved in a car crash? Hope you are o.k. It's not a good experience  Sad
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #65 on: Sunday 21 June 09 12:06 UTC (UK) »



hi both   Cheesy

I was just about to say.....

We already have William in 1881  Undecided   Heywood's post # 23 gives the reference:

RG11.  P. 3902  P. 72  Pg. 22

And I have looked for him prior to his marriage, but not with any success;  see my post # 53.

Second Heywood's hopes that you are OK  Smiley
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #66 on: Sunday 21 June 09 13:08 UTC (UK) »

Hi all just a broken leg and lots of cuts and bruises :-)

going to order the marriage certificate tonight.

In the mean time while that's on hold:

Thomas Robinson as discussed b.1855 married a Mary e gough b.1855 in 1883 8d p333

The 1901 census has the married couple with 5 children living in ardwick chorlton.

The 1891 census has the married couple with 6 children in Manchester. Two of the children are 13 as previously mentioned so Thomas must have been married before. So must Mary I.e. Mary E Gough as her step son John is at the address aged 9.

I have located Mary E Gough In 1881 married to a JamesGough with a John Henry but the dob's don't match. I have got a Thomas married to a Jane with a Mary E aged 1 but no Thomas, so they aren't twins and he may have been born later in the year.

Your thoughts on the previous wife of William and husban of Mary E Gough?

Davidjnr
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #67 on: Sunday 21 June 09 13:15 UTC (UK) »



Mary may not have been married before  -  John could be illegitimate   Undecided
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Titchfield, Hampshire: Reed,  Fielder, Cawte, Goddard.
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Wallasey, Cheshire: Carroll, Ledsham.
Liverpool : Horsfall, Prescott
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #68 on: Sunday 21 June 09 16:31 UTC (UK) »

Hi all just a broken leg and lots of cuts and bruises :-)

going to order the marriage certificate tonight.

In the mean time while that's on hold:

Thomas Robinson as discussed b.1855 married a Mary e gough b.1855 in 1883 8d p333

The 1901 census has the married couple with 5 children living in ardwick chorlton.

The 1891 census has the married couple with 6 children in Manchester. Two of the children are 13 as previously mentioned so Thomas must have been married before. So must Mary I.e. Mary E Gough as her step son John is at the address aged 9.

I have located Mary E Gough In 1881 married to a JamesGough with a John Henry but the dob's don't match. I have got a Thomas married to a Jane with a Mary E aged 1 but no Thomas, so they aren't twins and he may have been born later in the year.

Your thoughts on the previous wife of William and husban of Mary E Gough?

Davidjnr

Oh my goodness - take care with the leg!

Why not send for this certificate too - will save a lot of research which may be wrong  Roll Eyes
June quarter 1883 Manchester Vol 8d pg 233

Mary E Gough with husband James is still with him in 1891 so that can't be the right one.

On the other hand Lancashire BMD has the marriage with Mary Gough/Wyatt which indicates a previous marriage for Mary and substantiates the posting by Suzard where she mentions Mary Whyatt. 

1881 RG11; Piece: 3986; Folio: 24; Page: 41  - there is a daughter here Mary E 3 yrs so she is possibly Mary E Robinson (wrongly enumerated) from 1891.
John Gough died December quarter 1881 aged 30 yrs so that seems a good fit. The marriage certificate will confirm though.
There is a birth for John Gough March quarter 1882 which fits and therefore it looks as though the father died during Mary's pregnancy.

heywood
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #69 on: Monday 22 June 09 20:04 UTC (UK) »

Thanks to everyone for the assistance.

I've traced Mary E Whyatt later Mary Gough/then Robinson's parents with a lot of support from this community:

Her father is a William Whyatt (1818-) and mother  Deborah Wild (1820-) Manchester, Lancashire, England

They had three children
William (1843-)
James (1845-)
Mary E (1853-)
Mary Ann (1854)

Any idea why they would have been married in Manchester, Jamaica in 1840?

Davidjnr

At a loss now for her parents and his, I'll just have to keep digging with your help!
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #70 on: Monday 22 June 09 20:14 UTC (UK) »

Thomas Robinson (born 1855) Manchester, Lancashire, England and Mary's 2nd husband after John Gough died in December quarter 1881 aged 30 is proving a lot more allusive.

Help!

Davidjnr
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #71 on: Monday 22 June 09 20:27 UTC (UK) »

I have located a Joseph T. Robinson aged 26 and a Book Keeper in the 1891 Census (2 years before his marriage to Mary Gough), could this be the one and the same Thomas?

His father is also a Thomas and his mother Sarah.

Thomas Robinson the father is 58
Sarah Robinson   mother is 60
Joseph T. Robinson is 26 so matches our Thomas?
He has a brother Thomas W. Robinson aged 9 and John W. Robinson   aged 7 also.

What do you think?
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #72 on: Monday 22 June 09 20:45 UTC (UK) »

Hello Dave,

how's the leg?

Dave,
you seem to be looking for your folk by just sticking a pin in the census  Roll Eyes

Who is Joseph T Robinson? Where does he figure in this?

Glad you found Mary E Whyatt - where is the info that they married in Jamaica so that we can speculate?

heywood

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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #73 on: Monday 22 June 09 20:50 UTC (UK) »

Lancashire BMD has the marriage of William Wyatt and Deborah Wild 1840- Manchester Collegiate Church

Not quite Jamaica ... they don't believe me when I say it can be quite exotic in Manchester  Grin
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Re: Robert Holt & Nancy?
« Reply #74 on: Monday 22 June 09 20:52 UTC (UK) »

I have located a Joseph T. Robinson aged 26 and a Book Keeper in the 1891 Census (2 years before his marriage to Mary Gough), could this be the one and the same Thomas?


Thomas  Robinson married Mary Gough  Q2. 1883   Huh  Huh  Roll Eyes

Found by Suzard
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