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Davidjnr
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Re: Whitehead Linage
« Reply #15 on: Friday 25 September 09 07:50 UTC (UK) »

Hi everyone,

Now I have the funds  Smiley I have ordered:

Matilda Ingham
Jun 1875 Ashton Under Lyne 8d 485

and the marriage certificate also:
Marriage Dec 1893
Manchester 8d 337
Matilda Ingham - William Whitehead

Ill let you all know how I get on and what is on teh certificates when I receive them in a week or so...
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Re: Whitehead Linage
« Reply #16 on: Friday 02 October 09 13:15 UTC (UK) »

Hi I received two marriage certificate today so any help with these would be appreciated.

1) Nov 15th 1893 Marriage Certificate of William Whitehead 21 batchelor/labourer and Matilda Ingham 19 spinster. Registered at St Pauls Parish Church Manchester.

Both living at 34 Edgs Street or 34 Edgs Street in Manchester. Father of Matilda Thomas Ingham deceased (A dyer). Father of William not Robert a Bricklayer. In the presence of John Beswick and Selina Abbott.

Can anyone help me find William with his parents/father prior to 1893 i.e. 1891 etc or b.certificate for mother.


2) Matilda's birth certificate arrived this morning along with her father and mothers marriage certificate. I'll post this on another topic to avoid confusing the Whitehead discussion.

 
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Re: Whitehead Linage
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 03 October 09 00:53 UTC (UK) »

I have been trying to trace Williams parents this evening. I found a James Whitehead 1840 Stone Mason on the 1881 Cenus with an Eliza 1841.

John 19 1862 Coalminer Marsden, Yorkshire
George 15   1866 Cotton Piecer (C M)
Elizabeth 12 1869 Cotton Weaver
William 9 1872   Scholar
Benjamin 5 1876 Scholar
Lucy   3 1878   

Anthony Street, Ashton Under Lyne
RG11/4058/126/65

However the IGI has this baptism (although I think the age is not a match/or James remarried?

WILLIAM WHITEHEAD     Pedigree
     Male         

Event(s):
   Birth:
   Christening:     
28 DEC 1870      Saint Andrew Ancoats, Manchester, Lancashire, England
   Death:
   Burial:

Parents:
     Father:     JAMES WHITEHEAD    Family
     Mother:     SARAH

What do we think?
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Re: Whitehead Linage
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 03 October 09 06:46 UTC (UK) »

Hi David

I don't understand this part of your post:

Father of William not Robert a Bricklayer.

Was the father down as James then?  Huh
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Re: Whitehead Linage
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 03 October 09 07:48 UTC (UK) »

Sorry previously I was informed his father was Robert however the certificate informed me it was James a bricklayer
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Re: Whitehead Linage
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 03 October 09 08:14 UTC (UK) »

Ah, OK. I'm struggling to find a match on the censuses. Any idea what birth place William gives on the 1911 (I can't seem to see a candidate with a Failsworth place of birth)?

What's William's occupation in 1893?

I just has a look at your 1881 and christening findings. The 1881 census refers to a family where all the children were born in Yorkshire, most in Marsden, whereas the christening is in Manchester = probably not the same family, don't you think?
The Marsden family seem to have moved back to Yorkshire by 1891. Unfortunately though, I can't identify the William in question with any certainty in 1901 in order to definitely eliminate him. 

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Re: Whitehead Linage
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 03 October 09 10:14 UTC (UK) »

On the 1911 Census:

William Whitehead 39 Labourer Failsworth
Matilda Whitehead 35 Housewife Droyslden (Married 17 years)
Matilda Whitehead 15 Apprentice Dressmaker Failsworth
William Whitehead 11 Failsworth
Caroline Whitehead 10 Failsworth
Arthur Whitehead 7 Failsworth
Dora Whitehead 4 Failsworth
Fred Whitehead 8 months Moston
Frances Harriett Ingham (Mother-in-law and widow) 71 Nottingham

2 Dean Brook Cottage
Moston

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Re: Whitehead Linage
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 03 October 09 15:39 UTC (UK) »

OK, here is my only trail Tongue

There isn't a William Whitehead born Failsworth ca. 1872 on earlier censuses so I looked at it from a different angle, searching for a William any surname born ca. 1872 Failsworth. Among the several candidates, a William Brown (1881 census) has a father James - a bricklayer.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=10916842
RG11/4028 122 22

I was hoping for the 1871 census to show mum Matilda as a Whitehead but no luck - her surname was Dalton and she and the children were boarders(or lodgers? can't remember now) with James Brown. Matilda seems to have been a Dalton on the previous censuses too, at least from 1851 on (can't find her in 1841). She's still called Brown, married to James in 1891 but in 1901 her name is suddenly Whitehead (now a widow).

Now what intrigues me is that I looked for a birth registration for the little girl Lena Brown (10 mo in 1881). There isn't a matching Lena Brown registered, but there is a Lena Whitehead (Jun 1880 Prestwich).

I then tried to trace this Lena to 1901 and found a very likely candidate in 1901, wife of Henry Tinsley with a young son Orlando Tinsley. Searching for a marriage, it turns out she married as Selina Whitehead. As it happens, the Tinsleys were lodging with a John Beswick in 1901.

Coincidences?
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Re: Whitehead Linage
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 03 October 09 15:51 UTC (UK) »

Omg
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Re: Whitehead Linage
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 03 October 09 19:16 UTC (UK) »

I had another look at BMDs for this family and I'm wondering if it's James Brown who went in fact under 2 different names. The older children all seem to marry as Dalton or use Dalton on later censuses, whereas as I said I suspect younger ones to have been registered as Whitehead.

LancashireBMD shows a marriage Matilda Dalton to James Whitehead at Manchester Cathedral in 1871 (GRO ref. Jun 1871 Manchester 8d 329, the marriage is on the IGI, 10 May 1871 ) 

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