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janan
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Hi
I am trying to sort out siblings for my gg grandfather William ALLSOP. I am lucky that the family resided in Wirksworth and so I have access to the transcribed parish records on John Palmer's wonderful site. However I am having problems and would welcome a fresh pair of eyes. All events occurred in Wirksworth.
Here goes
Wandale ALLSOPP married Ann PEARSON on April 21st 1794
First known child is Ellen born 12th Jul 1795
Next are twins
William (my gg grandfather) and John born 13th May 1797
Ellen, William and John were baptised 13 Sep 1797
Then
Hannah born 17 Jun 1799 baptised 10 Jul 1799
No more baptisms that I can see
This where the confusion starts
There is a burial for a John ALLSOPP on May 24 1807 son of Wondale and Hannah - now I know Hannah and Ann can be interchangeable but there is Wandell and Hannah (BUXTON nee TAYLOR), having children overlapping with Wandell and Ann, who had a John born Jan 24 1790. So which one dies?
Then what happens to Ellen? No marriage or burial found
There is more , the picture in 1841 is
Greenhill, Wirksworth
Wandall Allsop 75 Miner
Ann do 70
William do 40 Velvet Weaver
Hannah do 40
Mary do 30
William didn't marry till 1842 in Duffield and states he is a bachelor.
Hannah would appear to be the one born 1799 (no obvious marriage or burial)- she appears in 1851/61 with Mary, they are listed as unmarried sisters.
So it would look like Mary is an unbaptised child of Wandell and Ann born c1805. However I found this
Mary dau Wondale/Ann buried Jun 5 1819 age 11!
At this point my head exploded  
Jan 
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trish1120
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Hi Janan,
Dont know if this is any help or not 
From Familysearch;
Parents Wandel and Hannah;
Abraham ALSOP, born christened and died 1782
John ALSOP, 1790
Wandel ALSOP, born and died 1794
Joseph ALSOP, born 1776, chr. 1782
William ALSOP, 1787
Sarah ALSOP, 1784
Ann ALSOP, born/chr. 1791, died 1793
Ann ALSOP, born/chr. 1794
Hannah ALSOP, born/chr. 1799
Wandel and ANN;
John ALSOP, birth 13 May 1797, Chr. 13 September 1797, died 24 May 1807
William ALSOP, birth 13 May 1797, chr. 13 September 1797
Ellen ALSOP, birth 12 July 1795, Chr. 13 September 1797
Trish
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janan
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Hi Trish
Thanks for laying that out
The IGI is definitely confused about the death of John as I checked the original entry ages ago and it says his parents are Wandel and Hannah not Ann. As for Hannah, John Palmer has her as daughter of Wandel and Ann not Hannah as on the IGI!
So does it help or not - no just adds to the confusion
It would help if the Allsops didn't continually recycle names.
Jan
Just found confirmation that Hannah must have been daughter of Wandel/Ann not Wandel/Hannah
Burial 1799 mar 14 ALSOP Hannah(wife)Wondale/(Wirksworth)
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trish1120
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Just a possibility
Marriage;
Helen ALSOP
Jacob STAFFORD
25 December 1818, Wirksworth, Derby
1841 Census HO107/197/13/Carsington
Carsington , Derby
Jacob STAFFORD, 45, lead miner, born in county
ELLEN, 43, born in county
George, 12
John, 9
James, 6
William, 3
Various census have her as Ellen/Hellen
6 children on IGI, first Francis 1823, born Carsington
Trish
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trish1120
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Well I can understand why you are going crazy
At least you have found something concrete re Hannah 
There are several possible marriages for her in Wirksworth though.
Trish
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janan
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Well I can understand why you are going crazy At least you have found something concrete re Hannah Trish
Sadly I haven't as my Wandel's parents were Wandel and Hannah (nee Smedley) so the Hannah who dies in 1799 could be her and this one
1830 Feb12 ALSOP Hannah(Wirksworth) age 77
be Hannah (formerly Buxton nee Taylor) !
Aargh! I'm going out for a breath of fresh air
Thanks everso for the Helen/Ellen marriage - looks good 
Jan
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trish1120
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Have a long walk Off to bed for me soon.
Cheers,
Trish
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janan
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Oh dear Helen/Ellen Stafford gives her birthplace as Kniveton not Wirksworth - still possible I guess as she wasn't baptised till 2 years later, maybe Wandel went down the road for work. Any Lead Mines in Kniveton I wonder?
I can't fine Helen/Ellen in 51
Jan
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