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king william
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Frederick Noah BAILEY
« on: Thursday 18 June 09 23:32 UTC (UK) »
This is just a query before I send for a death certificate for Frederick. He was born about 1853/55 and emigrated to New Zealand  on the Western Monarch in 1878, arriving in January 1879.
He married Marget Blee in April 1879 in NZ - she was on the same voyage and was from Cornwall.
He died in 1903 in NZ aged 48.
Another relative who is attempting to find his ancestry has said he has a memory that the Bailey family came from the area around Salisbury.
Just one more favour - is there anywhere on-line a photo or image of the Western Monarch.
King William
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Shropshire - le Strange
Wales - Deulwyn, Dalwyn, Rede, Wirriott,
East Sussex - Catt, Ashdown, Barham, Henley, Lawrence, Hepden, Elliott, Phillips
London - Bush, King
Suffolk - Sewell, Knight, Baxter, Martin
Norfolk  - Sewell, Larter, Howlett, Bacon:
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Re: Frederick Noah BAILEY
« Reply #1 on: Friday 19 June 09 00:24 UTC (UK) »

 http://www.rootschat.com/links/06ir/   

    IF YOU CLICK ON THE LINK UNDER THE SHIP THAT SAYS "SEE IMAGE AT QUEENSLAND ETC...YOU WILL SEE IT BETTER,,,REGARDS,,MIKE,

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king william
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Re: Frederick Noah BAILEY
« Reply #2 on: Friday 19 June 09 02:12 UTC (UK) »
Many thanks Mike - I have it
King William
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Wiltshire, Somerset, Gloucestershire - Bush, Strange, Whittington, Gunning, Browning, Maltravers, Rodborough, Balle
Shropshire - le Strange
Wales - Deulwyn, Dalwyn, Rede, Wirriott,
East Sussex - Catt, Ashdown, Barham, Henley, Lawrence, Hepden, Elliott, Phillips
London - Bush, King
Suffolk - Sewell, Knight, Baxter, Martin
Norfolk  - Sewell, Larter, Howlett, Bacon:
Tasmania, Australia - Bossward, Harriet Wellman -  (she is a huge puzzle)
Worcestershire - Lloyd, Beach, Shepherd, Hemming
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Re: Frederick Noah BAILEY
« Reply #3 on: Friday 19 June 09 03:12 UTC (UK) »
YOUR WELCOME...DO YOU HAVE THE CENSUS RETURNS FOR MARGARET-1861/1871 ??  I HAVE THEM IF YOU NEED THEM.
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king william
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Re: Frederick Noah BAILEY
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 20 June 09 06:52 UTC (UK) »
Hi Gortonboy,
I have seen a census somewhere lately where it describes Margaret as working in a tin mine - does that sound right, if not, I would love to see it thanks,
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Shropshire - le Strange
Wales - Deulwyn, Dalwyn, Rede, Wirriott,
East Sussex - Catt, Ashdown, Barham, Henley, Lawrence, Hepden, Elliott, Phillips
London - Bush, King
Suffolk - Sewell, Knight, Baxter, Martin
Norfolk  - Sewell, Larter, Howlett, Bacon:
Tasmania, Australia - Bossward, Harriet Wellman -  (she is a huge puzzle)
Worcestershire - Lloyd, Beach, Shepherd, Hemming
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Re: Frederick Noah BAILEY
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 20 June 09 12:50 UTC (UK) »
Hi King William Smiley
Unfortunately there is no trace of Frederick Noah BAILEY in Wiltshire. In fact no bapt/birh rego anywhere under that name. So must have been reg under plain Frederick.

Do you have marriage cert? If not, might be the one to purchase if parents names not on death cert.

Cheers,
Trish
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Re: Frederick Noah BAILEY
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 20 June 09 21:12 UTC (UK) »
1871-FORE STREET ,CORNWALL.........
SAMUEL BLEE 38 B 1833 ENGINE ?
ELIZABETH BLEE 36 B 1835 WIFE
CELIA BLEE 18 B 1853 MINE GIRL
SAMUEL BLEE 16 B 1855 MINE BOY
JAMES BLEE 14 B 1857 MINE BOY
MARGARET BLEE 12 B 1859 MINE GIRL
ANN BLEE 10 B 1861 MINE GIRL
EDWIN BLEE 8 B 1863
ISABELLA 6 B1865
THOMAS H BLEE 4 B 1867
JOSEPH BLEE 1 B 1870
RG10 PIECE 2324 FOLIO 67 PAGE 10
ALL BORN CORNWALL
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Re: Frederick Noah BAILEY
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 20 June 09 22:24 UTC (UK) »
Gortonboy,
Thanks for the census, it appears the age to be a mine worker was 10 years old. This also gives me a street address thanks.

Trish,
Sadly a marriage certificate of 1879 would not give much detail as I once saw one a friend had from that era.
It was in 1880 that by law they had to put more detail on the certificate such as parents and birthplace, previous to that they only supplied their name and I think their age and current address, I do know it was minimal information.
Today I am going to post off my request for Frederick's death certificate and as his wife died 18 years later she was there to put in hopefully the correct details as to his family - I do hope that in the section marked "where born" she has not put "England" - I am hoping it will specify some town or city in England.
Thanks to both of you,
Robin
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Shropshire - le Strange
Wales - Deulwyn, Dalwyn, Rede, Wirriott,
East Sussex - Catt, Ashdown, Barham, Henley, Lawrence, Hepden, Elliott, Phillips
London - Bush, King
Suffolk - Sewell, Knight, Baxter, Martin
Norfolk  - Sewell, Larter, Howlett, Bacon:
Tasmania, Australia - Bossward, Harriet Wellman -  (she is a huge puzzle)
Worcestershire - Lloyd, Beach, Shepherd, Hemming
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Re: Frederick Noah BAILEY
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 21 June 09 04:44 UTC (UK) »
Best of luck with death cert.

Let us know the outcome Grin Then we can hopefully help more.

I ordered some certs when I was in NZ last November. Paid on Wednesday and they were in my mailbox when I got home to Australia the following Monday Cool

Trish
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Re: Frederick Noah BAILEY
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 21 June 09 05:08 UTC (UK) »
Maybe you already have this;

Marriage;
Samuel Curtis BLEE
Elizabeth JAMES
03 March 1851, Breage, Cornwall

Groom;
Age 20, batchelor, occp miner, residence Ashton, Father Edward BLEE, occp. miner
Bride;
Age 19, spinster, residence Churchtown, Father Henry JAMES, occp. blacksmith
Witnesses;
James Jakka
George Hebbard


Reg. From FREEBMD
Samuel Coirtice Blee
Elizabeth James
March 1851
Helston 9 133

Birth;
Elizabeth JAMES
24 June 1829, Parents Henry and Margt., residence Tregunna, father oocp. blacksmith

Siblings Baptisms;
Eleanor James, 30 March 1823
Henry James, 4 February 1823
William James, 26 December 1824
Frances James, 5 February 1827
All baptised Breage

Marriage (possible) Nearest I could find to birth of first child.

Henry JAMES
Margaret POPE
04 October 1819 Breage
Spinster/batchelor,residence Breage
Witnesses, George Hebbard, Hugh Tregoning

Trish
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Re: Frederick Noah BAILEY
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 21 June 09 05:39 UTC (UK) »
Baptisms ( can only find 2 easily)

Celia James BLEE, 6 July 1852, Breage, parents Samuel and Elizabeth, father occp. miner

Isabella BLEE, 27 march 1865, details as above

Trish
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Re: Frederick Noah BAILEY
« Reply #11 on: Monday 22 June 09 06:57 UTC (UK) »
Thank you to you all, I did not have any details of the James family, now I also know that Elizabeth James's father was a blacksmith and who her mother was and also the names of her siblings.
I will come back to this when I receive the death certificate of Frederick,
Robin
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Shropshire - le Strange
Wales - Deulwyn, Dalwyn, Rede, Wirriott,
East Sussex - Catt, Ashdown, Barham, Henley, Lawrence, Hepden, Elliott, Phillips
London - Bush, King
Suffolk - Sewell, Knight, Baxter, Martin
Norfolk  - Sewell, Larter, Howlett, Bacon:
Tasmania, Australia - Bossward, Harriet Wellman -  (she is a huge puzzle)
Worcestershire - Lloyd, Beach, Shepherd, Hemming
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