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lizzielawton13
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Hello
I am trying to find the Cross family of Penley or Ellesmere, can anyone help?
I have census records to 1841 with the family being millers at Penley, and there seems to be several mills there owned by different Cross families. As far as I can tell there were two mills owned by two branches of the Cross family, Penley mill and then Cross Mill at Maelor South.
I am looking for George Cross born 1834, son of William Cross married to Anna, presumably at Maelor South. But have now hit a wall and cannot find anything else about them.
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Gadget
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Hi Lizzie 
Welcome to Rootschat!
I've been trying to find George and the family that you mentioned on the 1841 Census in both Flintshire andShropshire but I don't see George. Parts of that area might be missing in the1841 so I checked on the 1851 but still can't see George.
You say that you have the family to 1841 - where were they then 
There is a family of Cross, with head of hsld a miller, in Bettisfield, Hanmer on the 1841 but not the family that you mentioned.
Gadget
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lizzielawton13
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Hi Gadget
Ive just dug out my paper print offs of all my Cross lines, and I have it here. I remember doing this one as they didnt turn upon any searches so I opened up each census for the area and went through it page by page, I think they were listed as Corfs or something. Georges father william had definatly been a miller by the time George Married in 1872. IGI has them as george son of william son of william.
Anyway, I think this could be them. 1841 census ellesmere, district 6 , pge 2.
penley
william cross 64 ag lab
elizbeth 63
william 31 ag lab
thomas 28 ag lab
george 10
there is also on page 1
penley mill
francis cross 45 miller
sarah 35
Ann 19
etc etc... but no george listed.
theres is also a web site you may be interested in
www.cpat.org.uk/projects/longer/histland/maeolr/msindust.htm
which discusses the different mills in the area and talks about penley mill AND Cross mill.
Are you related to this line then,or is it just interest that has you searching?
George would be my g.g grandad.
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Gadget
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Although they show in the Ellesmere RD, they are in Penley, Flintshire itself. Francis is the miller at Penley Mill. The other one that I saw was in a neighbouring village - Bettisfield, Hanmer, Flintshire
HO107/1408 Book 3 Folio 9 Page 11
Edward Cross, aged 57, was a down as a Miller
Gadget
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lizzielawton13
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Hallo again
I think the only (near) absolutes I have is that on Georges marriage cert in1872 it says his father was a miller called William, and he was 38 years old. The census state he was born in either 1831 or 1834 depending on which one it is, and they say he was born in Overton/Penley or Ellesmere, depending on which one you read.
Do your records show a Cross Mill at Mealor South? Who was there? I cannot find where that is in the census' so if you could check thatd be great. Also do you know if there are parish records available for these villages? GENUKI seems a bit hard to understand if these exist or not.
thanks again for any and all help :-)
LL/nev
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Gadget
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Hi again
I'll check out the Cross Mill for you later today and look through what I have in more detail.
Church records for the Flintshire parishes are available from Clwyd FHS in booklet form via Genfair:
http://www.genfair.co.uk/
I have some of them, but not recent ones as my Puleston/Lee line moved to the St Martins/Selattyn area of Shropshire in the 1750s.
Paul, one of our members does go to Hawarden Records Office regularly and I'lll contact him about this thread.
Regards
Gadget
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ricky1
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Hi
There is a William Cross with wife Ann and son George and some other children in Overton, but William is down as an Ag Lab, and george is down as 8 years old
H0107/ 1408/10
folio 24
page 11
Transcribed as Gross  Looks like Cross to me
ricky
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Gadget
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Thanks, Ricky - Overton's not far away. I don't see a suitable George on the 1851 yet - moving between Eng and Wales is a pain !
In 1851, there seem to be two Penley Mills. They are in ED 5a and ED 6.
Penley Mill in ED 6 was occupied by the Price family -
HO107/1994 F 66 P 1
Head was Hannah Price, widow, (age obliterated) , late miller's wife, b. Ellesmere. Children, all in their 20s, were born in Erbistock, Denbighshire - not very far away. One of the sons is a George Price, aged 22.
In ED5a, Penley Mill was occupied by Francis Cross as in 1841:
HO107/1994 F 58 P 1
Cross
Francis, 56, miller - master employing 2 men
Sarah, ?, b. Overton
Pamela, ?
Charles, 14
Sarah, 12
Francis, 11
Margaret, 4
Philip Chase, servant, 22, miller's servant, b. Halghton
Edward Blake, servant, 15, miller's servant
all b. Penley unless stated
I'm wondering if this last mill became known as Cross Mill to distinguish it from the one that the Prices occupied.
Gadget
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Gadget
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Looks like we have two George Cross in the same area, born within 2-3 years of each other, each with a father William, both ag labs 
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ricky1
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Hi Gadget
there are two Penley Mills on the 1841
Margaret Lea and family ( flour mill) is at one mill
H0107/ 1408/2
folio 6
page 4
ricky
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Gadget
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Yep - same as 1851 - my reply #8 - I think the one that Francis is in (unnamed in 1841, just Penley) is the same one as on the 1851 and I think that that is the one that Lizzie refers to as Cross Mill.
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Gadget
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I think the best thing is to work from when he got married in 1872, aged 38. This is what Lizzie has as definite info.
Maybe Lizzie could give us the location and his wife's name - there are a few showing.
Gadget
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Gadget
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I wonder if this is him in 1891 in Dudley wth a wife Ann (rather than mother): RG1/2296 Folio 21 Page 35
b. Houghton, Flintshire = Halghton which is in the parish of Hanmer. It's pronounced Houghton - my Lees came from there.
Penley, Overton, Hanmer, Bangor, Erbistock are all in the same area and very close to Ellesmere - the River Dee is the boundary.
Gadget
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Gadget
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Ricky - when you come down from the ladder  - I think this is the one you found on the 1841:
IGI, patron submission.
Baptism, Overton, March 1834, b. 9 March 1834. Parents - William Cross & Anna Cross.
Paul might be able to check it.
Gadget
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