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Ruskie
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Oh good, I thought it was just my imagination running away with me.  I really like your theory about illegitimacy. Sounds possible date wise too.
Sgrollitt, I hope you're getting this marriage cert sent by priority mail - we can't wait verylong!
I'll have a look at the link to the other thread too Ambly (thanks  ).
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twageos
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> Peter's grandparents were from Wall in Shetland - not seen any other evidence of a Norwegian as yet.
> added: actaully there is other evidence of Nordic ancestry - one or Peter's brothers and one of his uncles was named
> Magnus PETERSON.
Most -son named Shetlanders at that time would have considered themselves to be descendants of Norse people, and many would not have thought of themselves as Scottish.
There's a photo of Revd. Peter Peterson in my g-grandparents' photo album - you can find a copy at
http://www.bayanne.info/Shetland/showmedia.php?mediaID=108&medialinkID=108
The caption on it - written by my g-aunt Christina Jamieson - says "Progenitor of many professors". Originally I wondered whether that meant literally or that he'd been a schoolmaster and his pupils had gone on to great things. So it was fascinating to discover that several of his grandsons had been professors (I'm not sure if the unfortunate Magnus Peterson who died of choking at a meal in Christchurch, NZ, where he was organist, was a professor or not).
I too have been looking around for info. about this family and would love to know if there are other photos around. Clearly, there are other living descendants (including a Henry Magnus), but as for Mohamddin, I have no idea - there are plenty of other Petersons, some with an Indian connection, the name's common in enough in the British Isles, so someone would have to have /some/ reason to say "Danish". But perhaps that cert. will show.
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sgrollitt
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I rang the Liverpool Register Office this morning and they have a backlog of work - hence my certificates have not yet arrived. Sorry for the delay - I'm as keen as you. Thank you for making this a very interesting topic and I hope it won't be too long before I can post some more details.
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sgrollitt
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Just to add that Mohamed Din Peterson had black hair and dark brown eyes, but his skin colour was quite light. My partner remembers him as a quite tall, very thin man.
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AMBLY
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Photo's of two of Prof. Peter PETERSON's younger brothers ( grandchildren all 3 of the Revd. Peter PETERSON).
[Prof Peter seems to have had had 7 brothers and 4 sisters, plus another sister and possibly another brother who died young]
Photo of Sir William PETERSON (1856 Sct - 1921 Eng), Educationalist, McGill University Canada
http://wapedia.mobi/en/William_Peterson_(academic)
Photo (not a good quality) of Magnus PETERSON )1854 sct -1894 nz), Organist and Choirmaster
http://www.rootschat.com/links/06lj/
twageos,
Can't believe I hadn't come across your site when I was hunting them out  my google finger was be slipping! Love the photo of Revd Peter - a clear smile or supressed grin, not quite in keeping with the photographic conventions of the day!
Magnus may not have been a professor, but his (their) other brother was - Franklin Seivright PETERSON:1861 Sct -1914 Aus]
http://adbonline.anu.edu.au/biogs/A110215b.htm
Cheers
AMBLY
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sgrollitt
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The marriage certificate arrived. It hasn't negated the theory that he came from the famous, academic Peterson family of Scottish/Norweigan descent, but it has made it less likely.
On 4 December 1922 Mohamddin (otherwise John, and signed as John in very good handwriting) Peterson married Margaret McLachlan at St Margaret's, Anfield, Liverpool. He was 28 and was thus born about 1894 (a later ship's record suggested that he was born about 1891). He was a labourer and living at 96 Colt Street. I haven't checked the exact location yet, but I imagine this is also in the Anfield area. Mohameddin's father was also a labourer and was called GULAM MOHAMED. I can only guess where the Peterson name came from, but the family story is that Mohamddin married a Danish or Scandanavian lady and assumed her surname. I suppose Gulam could have done this a generation earlier.
I don't know whether Gulam was also in Liverpool, but he was still alive in 1922.
I need to check census records online and also the Electoral Registers in Liverpool. My partner is from Liverpool, but we both live in Shropshire now, so if there is some kind soul...
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sgrollitt
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Celt Street
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 01 July 09 08:20 UTC (UK) » |
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It was 96 Celt Street, not Colt Street. Celt Street is in the Fairfield area of Liverpool not far from Everton. Many of the houses in that area were removed in the slum clearances of the 60s and 70s. In 1901 the houses in Celt Street only went up to 51.
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sgrollitt
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I've been searching the censuses and haven't come up with anything except on the 1911 census:
TRAINING SHIP INDEFATIGABLE
RIVER MERSEY, ROCK FERRY, County Cheshire
(District Birkenhead, Subdistrict Tranmere)
JOHN PETERSON, 15, SEA APPRENTICE, b.LIVERPOOL, LANCS
I don't have access to ancestry.com to check for the death of Gulam Mohamed after 1922, but the online Lancashire death records don't show him.
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Ruskie
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It all gets more interesting.
Unusual name Gulam Mohamed. I found this on Freebmd:
Marriages Jun 1923
Matilda Andrews = Gulam Mahomed
Liverpool 8b 172
I wonder who this is?
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sgrollitt
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Good spot Ruskie.
Gulam means slave or servant so presumably Gulam Mohamed means 'servant of Mohamed'.
I thought Mohamddin Peterson must come from a Muslim family because it's also written Mohamed Din Peterson. Din (or Deen) is an Arabic word usually translated as "religion" but also as "way of life", especially referring to Islam, known as ad-din "the deen", or din al-haqq "the true deen". It is, however, not exclusive to Islam, as Arab Christians also use it to refer to their religion and religion in general.
I did find an Irish O'Connor family living at 96 Celt Street in 1911. So Mohammdin and Margaret moved in some time betrween 1911 and 1922.
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Ruskie
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Thanks for the explanation - quite complicated isn't it. On freebmd there are a couple of births and deaths for Gulam Mohameds as well.
Have you found Mohammddin or Margaret in 1901?
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sgrollitt
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I found Margaret McLachlan in 1901 at 3 Hook St, Liverpool:
- Samuel Mclachlan, head, 38, Marine Stoker, b.Liverpool
- Mary Mclachlan, wife, 32, b.Glasgow
- Sarah A Mclachlan, dau, 13, b.Liverpool
- Andrew Mclachlan, son, 12, b.Liverpool
- John Mclachlan, son, 8, b.Liverpool
- Agnes Mclachlan, dau, 4, b.Liverpool
- Margaret Mclachlan, dau, 0, b.Liverpool
But I haven't found Mohamddin Peterson. I searched for Mohamddin and variants and John. There were several (five) John possibilities, but none correct. I think I found Mohamddin (John) in 1911 as a 15-year old trainee sailor (see previous).
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Ruskie
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I suppose it all hinges on when Mohamddin came to the UK (he may not have been in the UK for the 1901) and whether or not he came alone or with parents, and whether it was Gulam who married the Scandinavian/Danish wife.
I suppose it's possible that Margaret is Mohamddin's second wife .... 
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sgrollitt
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You found birth/death records for Gulam Mohamed? I can't find any (except for the one in Poplar, Middlesex).
I'm thinking now that Gulam Mohamed married a Scandanavian lady, probably in India since Mohamddin was born there in about 1894, and then came to England. Mohamddin was well settled in England by the time he was 15 (1911) - he had assumed the name John and was training to be a sailor - a job he did until at least 1940 (apart from December 1922 when he married and was a labourer). Gulam became a labourer when he came to England. He must have been born about 1870, and was still alive in 1922 aged about 52. His Scandanavian wife might have died and he married again in 1923 in Liverpool to Matilda Andrews.
The marriage certficate states that Margaret McLachlan was Mohamddin's first wife - and Mohamddin was Margaret's first husband.
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Ruskie
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On freebmd, search for births, and marriages, and deaths, using simply the first name Gulam (nothing else), you get a couple of results. None of them are yours but I was surprised that there were any results at all. (sorry if I misled you into thinking one was yours  )
Your theory sounds very plausible. And my theory about a previous marriage for Mohamddin is incorrect.
Apart from the obvious search for deaths, I can't advise you on what to do next - perhaps take the search to India? Perhaps a new thread on how to trace Indian records might be an option? You could include a link to this thread to make it easier for yourself and anyone who may be able to help.
I hope others may be able to help further as it would be a shame for your search to end here.
Good luck.
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