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Gene Genius
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Dundee
Hi everyone. I have posted a few times before but always in the Renfrewshire room.
Can you help me please?
Could you possibly look up the details of the following for me? James Patrick MacDonald/McDonald born c 1887. He was the son of Dominic MacDonald/McDonald (a sailor).
I already have the marriage certificate for James who was married in Wales in 1911. His father was deceased by this time. James' age was given as 24 in 1911 hence the dob as 1887.
Still not convinced that James was born in Dundee but this is what it says on the 1911 census which has only recently been made available for Wales.
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Piglet01
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For others interested and to prevent duplication refer to the following threads:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,303961.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,273151.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,273056.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,273155.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373628.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,361755.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,273148.0.html
Regards, Steve :O)
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McDonald originating in Aberlour. Smith (Aberdeenshire/Aberdeen), Esslemont, Christie, Robbie; Scott (in Aberdour). Crosbie and Willison. Borders: Lawrie, Thomson, Paxton, Peacock, Amos, Robson, Turner, Bertram, Watson
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Gene Genius
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Don't mean to be funny but why have you done that? Are we supposed to list any previous questions or something?
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Forfarian
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I didn't do it, but I will tell you why.
There are few things more annoying than going to a lot of effort, only to find out that whoever you are trying to help either had the information before and didn't include it in their original message, or that several other people are working on the same question in various forms because the query has been duplicated in several different places without any cross-reference.
It is also very confusing when information about the same individuals is being worked on in threads in several different forums.
Thirdly, if you were interested in these people and only found a single thread, you would miss out on any information posted to any of the other threads.
So thank you, Piglet, for drawing our attention to all the duplicated queries about Dominic MacDonald.
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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes; LESLIE, Mortlach; MENDUM, England; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOREY, New Monkland; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Lethnot and Navar; YOUNG, Keith
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Gene Genius
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I have not posted in here to confuse anyone. Indeed it is I who is confused.
All my life I had been led to believe and in fact my late Father thought that his Dad was from Greenock in Renfrewshire.
I have now gleaned from the 1911 Census that his place of birth was listed as Dundee.
I was so excited but now I needed to ask people who might be able to help me, people who might have access to records that I don't.
I hope I have not caused extra work for anyone but many people I am sure only use certain rooms and they would be unaware of my quest had I not posted in various places.
It doesn't look as if anyone has any information that could help me anyway so I shall probably die myself not knowing for sure.
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Forfarian
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I hope I have not caused extra work for anyone but many people I am sure only use certain rooms and they would be unaware of my quest had I not posted in various places.
No. Nor would they be aware if someone else was already working on your quest if Piglet had not posted all the cross-references to the other forums they don't use, and they might go to some time, trouble and even expense trying to find for you answers you have already got.
My suggestion would be to check the 1891 census for Dominic MacDonald, if you have not already done so, and no-one on any of the other forums has done so either.
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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes; LESLIE, Mortlach; MENDUM, England; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOREY, New Monkland; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Lethnot and Navar; YOUNG, Keith
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cookies4
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I've had a wee look at your other posts and seen that you've been offered loads of good advice. I also noticed you mentioned family folklore had Dominic having a twin. Could it perhaps have been James who had the twin?
A real long shot but thought I'd post it anyway just in case.......................
Looking at the 1891 census there is a James McDonald boarding with a William Simpson at Balfron, Stirling. Looks like he had 2 older brothers and a twin sister Sarah. His age is given as 5 and born at Glasgow.
Might be worth contacting the archives in case they have poorhouse details.
http://www.stirling.gov.uk/index/access-info/archives/catalogue/cat-records.htm
Regards,
Nel
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Piglet01
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Last post from me on this topic.  4 x James Patrick McDonalds born in Scotland 1875 to 1895 there are no Macs in that window.
Looks like if you haven't done so before - on to SP and download each entry ... apologies, but no other suggestions.
You will note that only one was born in 1887, but not in Dundee.
1. 1880 MCDONALD JAMES PATRICK M GOVAN AND GOVAN CHURCH GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 646/01 1540
2 1887 MCDONALD JAMES PATRICK M CAMLACHIE GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/02 1444
3 1891 MCDONALD JAMES PATRICK M ST ROLLOX GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/06 1601
4 1894 MCDONALD JAMES PATRICK M BUSBY /RENFREW 571/01 0031
Good luck with your searching....... Regards, Steve.
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McDonald originating in Aberlour. Smith (Aberdeenshire/Aberdeen), Esslemont, Christie, Robbie; Scott (in Aberdour). Crosbie and Willison. Borders: Lawrie, Thomson, Paxton, Peacock, Amos, Robson, Turner, Bertram, Watson
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Gene Genius
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I would like to point out that the gentleman I am looking for isn't some distant ancestor that I have only heard about though family stories. He isn't just some person who is one of my "brick walls",
My Father would break down in tears when his Dad was mentioned. He was only a little lad of five years of age when his father died but all his life he spoke fondly of him and tried for years to find out where he was buriedf in France. Only in the 1970's did he find out that he was buried in Rouen and within a 48 hours he was standing at his graveside.
My Dad lived into his 90's and I was so pleased that I was able to discover his Dad's war record and show him the printed version before he died. Also mysteriously, his WW1 medals "turned up" mysteriously after my Dad had wondered for decades what had happened to them.
At five years of age my Dad was in no position to ask questions about his deceased father and by the time he was old enough to enquire, a stepfather was on the scene. No-one seemed to know for sure where he was born only that it was in Scotland and that his father's name was Dominick or maybe ssome other name altogether, I doubt that anyone paid that much attention.
When I joined this site, it seemed that people assume you know everything there is to know about Family History. It is easy to say that you have to get hold of a so and so or go and visit a somthing or other office. In fact, lots of people are only able to use the Internet whether for health reasons of whatever. People join sites like this sometimes in desperation as they have nowhere else to turn. As it happens I have used other sites whereby it is encouraged to multi post so that as many people as possible can see your query.
As I have said before, I apologise if anyone has gone to unnecessary trouble on my account. All I was hoping for is that someone by the name of MacDonald might have a Dominick in their ancestry or better still a young man by the name of James Patrick who went to look for work in Wales.
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Gene Genius
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I thank you Piglet for your research but I have a long list here of all the possibilites that I discovered very early on. As you say, none were in the Dundee area and now I am dumbfounded. I doubt if I shall ever know where he was born or who his family were. He may even have been born on board ship for all I know.
The difficult thing though is trying to force myself to give up looking.
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Forfarian
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I hesitate to suggest this, but have you considered the possibility that James Patrick MacDonald acquired his middle name after his birth certificate? This does happen sometimes, and in this case he could simply be registered as James MacDonald.
Another possibility is that he could have been registered as James Peter MacDonald, Peter and Patrick being sometimes treated as interchangeable in Scotland.
Any joy with Dominic MacDonald in the 1891 census?
There just three Dominic MacDonalds in the CD-ROM transciption of the 1881; one with no birthplace indexed and living in Lancashire, one too young to be yours born in Ireland and living in Lancashire, and one born in Ireland and living in Warwickshire. There are several Dominic O'Donnels, most of them born in Ireland.
Could your James Patrick have been registered as O'Donnel?
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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes; LESLIE, Mortlach; MENDUM, England; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOREY, New Monkland; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Lethnot and Navar; YOUNG, Keith
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Gene Genius
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Up till recently I assumed that MacDonald could only be used as a soundex and that I could well be looking for a Macdonald, Mcdonald, Mcdonnell or variations of the same.
From death certificates that I have encountered for Dominic's I assumed that he was originally from Ireland. His wife could have been Bridget. They both could have been from County Mayo in Ireland.
So all I had was supposition and as we know, family historians deal in facts.
All I could do was hope that as an Irish Catholic family, there would have been many children and other people researching their Mcdonald ancestry might have been able to help me.
I do know that my grandad JP was Roman Catholic.
In all the records I have looked at though I have never found a James with a father called Dominic.
Dominic was a sailor and I have found out that a Dominic McDonald worked on the Isle of Man ferry on the "King Orry" out of Glasgow or thereabouts but still don't know if this was him.
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